Second-Hand NDEs

Question from Remy:
Dr. Peter Fenwick, British neurophysiologist, noted in many cases, that other people in the room of the dying person ALSO see LIGHT coming in from an unknown source. People who know the dying person and lives a thousand miles away, will have a dream of that person telling them they’re leaving now and not to worry, they’re fine and feeling wonderful. The person wakes up and calls the relatives only to be told…”Yes, he passed on a short time ago.” Some, like actress Susan Lucci, actually saw her grandmother or aunt (I can’t remember) appear in her room in a Light and tell her she is moving on….she called and was told the woman had died in the night about the same time as her encounter….so many accounts…

This happened to me, happens to many, how can so many people detect death?

Answer by SmartLX:
I couldn’t pin down any of these stories in short order, even the Susan Lucci claim, but I have heard claims of this phenomenon before. It can be explained pretty well by considering two factors together. Firstly, predictable timing: in most or all of these stories, the deceased was old or seriously ill and the death was not exactly a surprise, though of course the exact date of death was not known beforehand. Such a person is often on the minds of their loved ones as the morbid suspense builds, and will often find their way into dreams. Secondly, confirmation bias: if you have an experience like this and it’s on the wrong day, or features the wrong person, you’d hardly tell anyone even within your family. The only ones we hear about are the ones where the timing happens to be good.

You didn’t actually mention that the experiences are dreams, though I’ve read some described as such. As for waking experiences of soul lights and visions of the dead, these are purely anecdotal, exclusively told in retrospect and attributed to people whose loved ones are dying, which doesn’t put them in the most stable of mental states.

Regarding Fenwick, a scientist who appeared in his documentary on NDEs tore it to pieces afterwards. Others have criticised his assumptions and unwillingness to consider natural explanations. Like many NDE advocates in the scientific community, his main strength appears to be reassuring those who already believe.

2 thoughts on “Second-Hand NDEs”

  1. Oh, I am so bored, to death!
    Could you, PLEASE, invent some OTHER lie?
    Thanks a lot.

    But, how about the truth of what really happened, providing, of course, that Jesus Christ ever lived, with, or, rather to, his mother Mary?!

    Well, many atheists, me including, think that she worked in a monastery for many monks living there…doing nothing…as their maid, having sex with her, all of them, of course.

    That is HOW she got pregnant. They told that her her baby was from ‘god’ and she chose to believe them, being silly and scared, of course, but it did not save her from social stigma, so a nice man, named Joseph, married her and saved her from the shame of a girl being pregnant out of marriage.

    But, she told to little Jesus that he was ‘god’s’ son, and he believed her, having inherited her brains.

    Joseph said nothing to this idiocy of Mary and Jesus. Mary and Joseph had another son, Jesus’s’ half-brother.

    All this providing there was any Jesus Christ.

    But, there is a sarcophagus that archaeologists dug out from somewhere, containing remains of a whole family with names Joseph, Mary, Jesus, his brother’s name which I don’t recollect and Mary Magdalene, Jesus’s wife, married to him or not, regardless, because being not married does not prevent a man and a woman from being a loving couple.

    When Jesus was of the age he could invent lies that he, too, believed in, he did so, thou it is obvious he was a good…but crazy or liar…man.

    Romans did not like him, so they tried to kill him, but he survived the cross. His folks got him out of the cave he was ‘buried’, so he continued his lies for another 40 days, about being ‘god’s’ son, and truths about Roman empire being bad. So then they killed him for good.

    End of story.


  2. Remy – Prove your claim. You can’t? So you could be lying to us then, and no one would be able to tell otherwise. You have zero empirical data supporting your statement, so don’t be put off when I give it no attention or credibility whatsoever.

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