Question from Halil:
Ok, so on YouTube there are a variety of videos on some pro-Christian channels that encompass interviews of Christians who apparently were sinners, did not go to church, drank alcohol, masturbated, etc. and they talk about how they had Near Death Experiences or visions while they were sleeping where they visited hell. Some describe hell as flames with many demons, and very loud screams, others describe it as a dark quiet place without God.
One experience kind of frightened me. It was about an elderly priest who used to be a firefighter when he was younger. He states that he took drugs often, smoked weed, drank, etc. He said he went to Sunday school for 12 years growing up, but that he never read the Bible. Then he said his parents were not happy that he drank / took drugs, so he stopped. One day, he was at work and somehow got electrocuted, and then he said he could still see clearly, suddenly, he saw utter darkness, and had a life review showing all of his sins ever committed. Then he saw demons, which mocked him, and told him “we got you now” very much like the demons in Howard Storm’s NDE story. This priest also saw fires, called out to God, and His right hand came and pulled him out of the fire. Suddenly he was back at work and people came running as they heard him screaming. Then, he went to the hospital, and decided that he knew that hell was real.
What do you think could be an explanation of this experience? Do these so called “visions” give any of you atheists chills in case it is right? I am not Christian, but do Christians believe that they would see demons in hell? Because many of these hell stories always seem to have demons that mock God and torture the people experiencing them. Also, how could a brain come up with such graphic imagery?
Answer by SmartLX:
The extreme variety with which Hell is supposedly perceived tells you for a start that most (if not all) of these people are not seeing accurate visions, even if they’re telling the truth about what they remember.
This priest’s story has him spending a long time unconscious with his body and brain in an extreme state of distress. He sees many of the most well-known elements of the Christian story of the afterlife: a review of his sins, fires and sadistic demons in Hell because he had sinned, the literal hand of God saving him. If he was brought up in a Christian family or community even without believing, he would associate all these images with death and it’s the first place his mind would go in these circumstances whether in a dream or in a hallucination. Of course no Christian dogma states that God will immediately save you from Hell once you’re already sent there; instead that’s the point at which it’s too late to avoid your fate. As a priest, he’ll have had to find a way to reconcile his own story with the doctrine of his denomination.
Finally, brains came up with all the graphic imagery you’ve ever seen in a book, painting, sculpture, movie or video game. Artists see it all in their heads before they create it, and to their great frustration sometimes the images in their heads are much grander than what they can bring into reality. The dream of a brain near death can be a wild place.
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The Bible does not reflect what many who call themselves Christians believe. Sat an and the other demons are not in charge of hell. Son if there was a hell right now, they would not be saying we got you now. Because they would be got also. But the Bible clearly shows that he’ll is reserved unti the time after Jesus returns the second time. Remember I showed that man is not immortal. Man will die and sleep the sleep of death until the time Christ returns and wakes each group of those who will be sleeping. The righteousness will be awakened immediately upon His return. They would not have been already in heaven floating around without a body. They would have been sleeping in the ground in their graves. The thing is because of the fact that some people translated the Greek word “sheol” as “hell” and not the way it should be translated “grave” the false teaching has arisen now that hell is a place right now. Even though this teaching is running contrary to what the Biblical theme of the Bible. Please look to the website “amazing facts.org” and read the studies or watch the videos provided about the immortality of man. Death and hell. No text from the Bible will contradict another text from the Bible. If you read one text and you start forming an opinion of what that text is saying but then you read another text that seems to contradict the first text you found, then go to the other texts and see which of the views is the major theme of the Bible. And no text should or would cause someone to believe something that is contrary to the major and principle reason for why God gave us the Bible. And that was to reveal Himself to man. And that Revelation at its basis is the fact that God loves us. There are no two ways about it. He loves us. So the teaching that God would send man to burn and be tortured in the flaming fires of hell through out eternity, is a false teaching completely. The Bible says that God will cleanse the earth of sin with fire after Christ returns. And sinice satan is the one that started sin,and caused man to fall, God will punish him for doing so, by not granting him eternal life. He will cease to exist. So to will be everyone else who has refused God’s many invitations through their lifetime to accept Him and life. If they side with satan, they will be punished with him. But the afore mentioned website will do a better job in explining all of this. And it will help settle the question of End of Life experiences. At least the false ones.
Halil, please note that everything, and I mean everything, that Gerald has stated above is speculative and unproven. Some Christians would tell him he doesn’t even have the right interpretation of the 2000 year old book known as the Bible. The fact that it needs interpretation, along with being the most edited book in history, is quite enough to steer clear of the whole thing entirely.
NDEs are related to trauma and stress to the brain. There are many reports of people experiencing a “NDE” when they faint. That’s hardly being near death. Research has shown that loss of oxygen flow causes tunnel vision. Now that NDEs are a commonly known claim, it appears to happen to people all the time. Just like Big Foot claims….
Tim, what have I said that is speculative, that I have not given a Bible verse as support? And I almost openly supported your view that the NDE’s are almost always just dreams and not ones soul leaving your body to float off to heaven or hell. I stated that man is not immortal so he would not survive burning in hell but for a little. I stated that hell will be a time that this earth will be flooded wit fire from heaven by God to destroy the devil and sin and anyone who decided to believe in the devil instead of Godd. So he’ll is not here yet, because Christ has not returned yet. So until then the dead go to sleep and are buried. And wait for the return of Jesus when He will awaken the righteous dead to take them and the then living righteous but then transformed, back to heaven for a period of time. The wicked who were alive when Christ returned will be slain by the glory and majesty of Jesus which is as a consuming fire. Only those who have given their lives to Christ will have been made part of His glory and it will not affect them. So to reiterate. The dreamt hat one has is nothing but a dream. Your spirit does not leave your body. To go to heaven or hell. When you go to heaven or hell you will have a body of some kind. The wicked will have a human physical body. And the righteous will have a transformed immortal body to live with Christ and God our Father for ever. Amen and amen.
Gerald writes: [Tim, what have I said that is speculative, that I have not given a Bible verse as support?]
As I wrote in my first post, and must now do so again because of your trouble grasping things, is that many Christians do not agree with you. They quote the same passages and say it means something else. What makes you right, and them wrong?
[Your spirit does not leave your body.]
There is no evidence for spirits. I’d ask if you have any, but we already know the answer is “no”, so let’s not pretend otherwise.
The rest of your post was preaching, and not useful for a civilized discussion, so I didn’t bother quoting it here and now…
I know that this is hard for you to understand Tim, but the body does not need interpretation by any one person. The Holy Spirit is the One that gives the understanding of God’s word. But if someone feels has a teaching, that they feel is supported by one text from the Bible, but there is another text that contradicts that teaching, then that teaching is not what the Bible is saying. All the Bible texts must be in harmony with what we believe or else we are believing error. And whenever we hold error more important then truth, then we are not believing in the true God. And the other teaching that God would send someone to burn and burn and be tortured forever in hell, is not the true God of the Bible. God warned us about sin, so that we would not suffer the affects of sin. He warned us about sin so that we would not be tortured by sin. So why would He later toss someone into hell to be tortured forever if He was trying to keep them from suffering all along. He doesn’t want them to suffer because He loved them. He loves us. He loves us. That is why He warns us about sin. He knew that killing and stealing and all the rest, will only bring misery. And yes finally death, but in the meantime suffering. But God does not want this. That is why He gave us His word. So that we don’t need to suffer needlessly. And that is why He would not let man be immortal without each one accepting Him completely with their whole heart. Because if He gave eternal life to those who do not accept Him then they would be suffering forever. So in the end, Christ will cleanse the earth with fire from heaven. That will be the hellfire, that will consume all that has been tainted by the blight of sin. And if we have not given our lives to Him, we too will be identified as sin and obliterated. And that will be forever. But that forever will be without suffering. Because we will be as if we never were.
There is a real hell as stated in the bible Luke 16:19. No where in the bible is there annihilism. The devil doesn’t want any one to believe there is a hell so he can deceive people to do what they wish. The main goal is to follow the Lord Jesus Christ so that you and I can escape this horrible place. There are bibles out there for people that want to be saved. Prayer also and taking communion will give us peace. Bill Weiss, mary baxter are just 2 of the many people that saw Hell and, I don’t know about you, I believe them and don’t want to see it myself. In turn Heaven is the absolute most fun, exciting and peaceful place ever. That’s our goal!
Steven. You are being deceived. Hell for now is the grave. And that is because some of the ones who translated the Bible made a decision to translate the word in Greek as the word hell, and not as what it should be translated as which is grave. (http://godsplanforall.com/free-online-book/part-ii/chapter-16-hebrew-and-greek-words-mistranslated-to-mean-hell/). This site will show how hell has been improperly utilized in many a context. Although all of what this site says is not totally correct, or at least I don’t think so, it does demonstrate the that not all may not be translated correctly. Therefore we must us the direction of where God is taking this subject to obtain what He wants us to know about any subject. Meaning that the Bible should not contradict itself, in anyway. Not in what it says or in the idea of where any subject is going. It should all flow together. So, first off. Is God all loving or not? Is He all merciful or not? Is God completely just or not? I’m sure that most would say that God is all loving. That He is all merciful. And that He is completely just. So the idea that an all loving, all merciful, and completely just God would cause anyone to suffer an eternity in the place that some Christians are calling hell, then they are calling the Bible and God a lie. If God says of Himself that He is all loving then He burns someone in hell forever, that is not an all loving God. You can ignore it if you want. But if you believe this lie about God then you are believing the same lie that caused Adam and Eve to stop trusting God and not do what He asked them to do. If you believe this lie about God then you do not worship the true God. Because this thought contradicts the Biblical idea that God is all loving and all merciful. And to sentence a person in hell for all eternity in a place called hell causing them suffering and pain, does not allow God to claim that He is completely just.
We can not go by what someone claims the saw or heard on what we believe. We must put everything to the test and compare it to what the Bible says. Another way that the Bible declares that an eternal hell is wrong is the fact that the Bible says that only God is immortal. 1 Timothy 6:16, tells us that immortality is an attribute that pertains only to God. Adam and Eve were not pulled from some place in heaven and place inside a body prepared for them by God. Adam and Eve did not exist before God created them completely, making them body, mind and soul, each one at one time. If you could separate any part of them as they were when God created them then they would cease to be Adam or Eve. God told Adam and Eve not to eat from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, or else they would die. God specifically told Adam what would happen to them if they were to die. He told Adam, “In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread till thou return unto the ground, for out of it wast thou taken; for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.” Genesis 3:19. Later in this chapter God made sure Adam and therefore man would not live forever and not die, when He put Adam and Eve out of the Garden, before Adam and Eve were able to become immortal by eating from the Tree of Life. Genesis 3:22-24. So Adam and Eve did not become immortal. And they died. And as the Bible says of Adam and Eve, they went back to the dust from where he was created. So if Adam and Eve are not immortal, then how can they be placed in hell after the die to burn forever. They died. And in order to be placed in hell they must be resurrected. They must be given life again. In order to go to heaven you must be resurrected.
1 Thessalonians 4:14-17(NKJV)
“14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.[a]
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.”
Notice that verse 14 says that Christ will bring with Him those who sleep in Him. Not those who are in heaven. The dead in Christ sleep in Christ. To emphasize this point Christ in another part of the Bible told us what He means when a person has fallen asleep in the sleep of death. Please look at John 11.
“9 Jesus answered, “Are there not twelve hours in the day? If anyone walks in the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world. 10 But if one walks in the night, he stumbles, because the light is not in him.” 11 These things He said, and after that He said to them, “Our friend Lazarus sleeps, but I go that I may wake him up.”
12 Then His disciples said, “Lord, if he sleeps he will get well.” 13 However, Jesus spoke of his death, but they thought that He was speaking about taking rest in sleep.
14 Then Jesus said to them plainly, “Lazarus is dead. 15 And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, that you may believe. Nevertheless let us go to him.”
Jesus says about those who sleep the sleep of death are asleep. And in 1 Thessalonians chapter 4. God tells us that in order for Him to take the righteous dead to heaven, He must first give them life again. So for a person to go to hell they must first be resurrected to go to hell. Until then they are sleeping. Waiting to be given life again. This theme is all through the Bible even though others have mistranslated words that causes them to contradict other areas in the Bible where God tells us that the dead go to sleep and not to the grave. This also is shown in the scriptures where some people believe the lie that Christ went to hell to preach to the dead. For more on this subject, please look at this site. (https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/study-guide/e/4987/t/are-the-dead-really-dead-)
Nothing better than two Christians telling each other their interpretation of the divine word of a god is wrong….
Unfortunately that does not benefit you. Each of us need to test and try God’s word for ourselves. If you fail to find out for yourself, you are still held accountable for not knowing what you could have known. And anyone who fails to accept what is clear in God’s word, is not worshiping the true God. They are trying to live in sin and still be called a Christian. So study God’s word for yourself. And do so with someone who will show you how to do so.
Oh no, you are mistaken. I benefit greatly from it. It’s a wonderful example of how people convince themselves that they “know” something based on their own rationalizations, instead of using a reasoned, calculated approach. Christians are always telling other Christians that they are wrong. That none of them see the inherent irony in this is just icing on the cake.
Even you, preacher Gerald, let your Freudian slip show in your last sentence. I’m to study the word of a god, but I need “someone who will show” me “how to do so”. Hilarious. The word of an all powerful god can’t be studied unless someone shows me how.
Keep on arguing you two, the popcorn is almost ready…
It’s not Freudian, it is Biblical. “How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?” Romans 10:14. But the thing you are not taking into consideration. Or one of the things. Is that for one Evolutionists have been quietly debating the theory of Evolution ever since it came out and the evidence didn’t appear as they were hoping. So there are plenty of voices in the group of evolutionists who are crying that the evidence was either made up or doesn’t exist. Also, you only look at the Christians from your point of view. To make fun and find evidence to prove that what Christians believe is a hoax. But Christians don’t make up evidence they may misquote or misapply scripture but they don’t make up fake evidence. This is what some of the Evolutionists have done. And to make things worse, people who know the evidence was made up are still using it as evidence for evolution. But something that you fail to include in your thinking is that the Christian belief is not cut and dry. There is a factor that comes with our trust in God. And that is the enemy that is always seeking to destroy our faith. He will do this in any way possible, even using posts like yours. Christians have a rich and wondrous heritage. We have read how God did what he did from the writings of those who either was there or from those who heard from those who were there. And in everything that the Bible has revealed, no one has been able to bring forth any evidence that the Bible is not what it is believed to be by millions of Christians around the world. What does the Atheist have for their heritage. A paltry few of individuals who think too highly of themselves because they were able to use the pithily little intelligence that God gave them to do this or that and now they proclaim that God was not needed to do anything. Not realizing that what they were able to do, was done by individuals who had a level of intelligence, inferior to His though it be. God needs no one to speak for Him. Look at what happened to the nation who would make fun of God and His heritage. Read Isaiah 37. And I hope you will not be as haughty or foolish as this nations king. Because the results will be the same for any and all who would jest with God. And test Him with out respecting and honoring Him. The reason it doesn’t happen right away, is because He would see you saved. And not lost. So don’t mistake his inactivity as him not hearing you or seeing you. He is allowing you time to either accept Him or give you enough rope to hang yourself. It is your choice. I will be praying for you.