Question from Margaret:
What is the story where the atheists get slaughtered with the Christians and something about Moses coming down and breaking the tablets. Could you recap the whole thing in atheist language for me? and maybe tell me the verses?
Answer by SmartLX:
Well, the tablet part at least is easy to pin down. It’s part of the story of the Exodus, and the tablets are broken in Exodus 32:19. Moses leads his people to Mount Sinai and goes up by himself to receive the Ten Commandments from God on stone tablets. He takes so long that by the time he gets back some of the others are worshiping a golden calf they’ve made. Moses is so mad he breaks the tablets, and orders the calf reduced to powder that is mixed with water for the idolaters to drink as punishment. God hammers the point home afterwards by hitting them with a plague. Eventually Moses re-inscribes the Commandments on some new tablets.
The other part is harder to identify, because there may be no self-identifying atheists in the Bible at all. All the non-Christian characters worship someone else. Atheism was at least known to the authors, or they wouldn’t have written things like, “The fool says in his heart, there is no God.” People could refer to others as atheists for not believing in their god or gods, and indeed the early Romans saw Christians that way because they didn’t believe in Jupiter and his pantheon. But I’m sorry, I haven’t a clue. If you know any more details on that story please put them in a comment, and maybe we can find what you’re referring to together.
Have you heard the one about the stone tablets?
Question from Margaret:
28 thoughts on “Have you heard the one about the stone tablets?”
Margaret, to tell it in the atheist language is no different than telling it in believer words. It’s the acceptance of the story as real that is the splitting point…
Actuallyl, after Moses broke the two tablets, God had Moses to return back to the top of the mountain with two blank tablets of stone and God wrote the 10 commandments with His own finger again as He had done on the first two tablets of stone which God provide the first time
Actually, there is zero evidence for the existence of Moses or gods.
Oh, and by the way, the Bible which has been used to find many archaeological digs, and has also been used to identify, a whole slew of characters in history, has also spoken of a person, named Moses. So, if the rest of the historical yuppies, can accept the Bible as evidence, don’t you think you might give a little and say at least that there is some evidence, Hum?
The Bible has not been used to find digs. There are digs that have been made that verified places that were mentioned in the Bible, which is a big difference. There are also people mentioned in the Bible that have been independently verified through other sources as having existed. Some exiles (like the Babylonian one) have been corroborated as well.
I never said that nothing in the Bible has turned out to be true. Several mundane, ordinary claims (like battle sites, cities, and some people) have been verified. But none of the extraordinary supernatural claims (like a god existing, or a god being a man, or a man leading a mass exodus out of Egypt after a god sent plagues) have ever been shown to be true. There is zero evidence supporting any supernatural claim. So just because the Bible has some stuff in it that is true, doesn’t make the other parts true as well.
It’s like Stephen King’s book “11.22.63”. JFK is real, and so is Maine, and so was the assassination. Does that make it any more likely that someone traveled back in time to stop JFK from being shot? No…
One last thought Tim, there have been many people past and present who have been witness to their own miracles, and they are not afraid to share these with anyone. I have a few of my own, testimonies, where God not only has helped me but my daughter, and I have a few so called minor miracles, answered directly from prayer.
Try prayer yourself, you really don’t have anything to lose and everything to gain.
I have time to lose, Gerald. I have intellectual honesty to lose. There is a cost to everything we do in our lives. Praying has a cost, just like any other decision and action that a human being undertakes.
I am well aware of personal testimony. It’s an unprovable claim. Every single one of them could be lying to you, and you have no way of knowing. There are all kinds of psychological explanations for how the human brain incorrectly connects two separate things and concludes they are related. Until you can provide empirical data supporting such claims, it can only be considered baseless speculation.
Tim, go ahead and Google the things that have been discovered using the Bible.
I will, and may I suggest you google all the things discovered using science, and we can see which one is more valuable…
Sorry, Tim. I’m not trying to make it a tit for tat situation. But, to tell you the truth, too many people have heard all the hype of Evolution and the million, and possibly billion existence of this earth, and it has all been pushed and ushered into the column of fact beyond all shadow of a doubt column that many people fear to dispute this data not realizing that these theories are only theories, with so many holes in them that they have led to offshoots of these theories where the believers are trying to shore up these theories, trying to keep the ship from sinking. But, this is the very reason, many of the champions of these theories have become proponents of the Bible and Christianity.
Since you appear to be good natured and are open to valid facts, after you look up the facts of the things that have been discovered using the Bible. Please look up some of the past Atheists and Evolutionists who later accepted the Bible, and are became Christians.
It astounded me.
And now that we are speaking of these discoveries, many of those who made those discoveries have been believers in God.
Frankly, I’m not sure why people have so much problem just saying maybe there is a God instead of butting their heads against the snowball of evidence that has sunamied with the birth of the internet.
I hope all will go and read the whole chapter for this reference. Please take note that the chapter opens up with God saying that the people were told not to do exactly what they did. So, with such a open disobedience that had taken place, so as to show God’s people that sin does bring death, God showed what will happen to those who willfully disobey His word.
The Children of Israel, had personally witnessed the power of God. It wasn’t something that they had heard about from someone else. And to God, sin is that which will bring death. The Bible says that ” your sins have separated you from your God” Isaiah 59:2. So, for such an open, willful, disobedience God needed to show what happens to those who decide to sin, and not obey. Today, since we only have here say and so many casting doubts that the Bible is God’s word, God with holds the immediate punishment until the time when after He returns, giving us time to learn more about Him and then make a decision as to we will accept Him, or not
I never understood why Christians always want me to read the “whole chapter” for reference, and them immediately take a random passage from another book like Isaiah and stick that in what they are saying.
Anyway, I could never figure out how, in the time it took Moses to go and get that first set of stone tablets, the people were able to construct a furnace hot enough to melt a metal (gold) that has a melting point of almost 2000 degrees F. And they managed to build a mold to pour the molten gold into as well. If they had the wherewithal to do all that, how is it they couldn’t find there way out of Sinai for 40 years? The devil, as they say, is in the details, eh?
Sure. And I bet you know how the Egyptians built the pyramids. No! Don’t worry I bet there are plenty of other things you don’t know. Me too. But that’s another reason to get to know Jesus. When we get to heaven we will be able to ask Him the things we haven’t figured out here. But remember they were not simply wandering. They were following Gods directions and they stayed longer in the wilderness because they kept disobeying God. But al He did, He did to show everyone that disobedience has a consequence. Just like we would do with our children. And some of those consequences have everlasting results
We have a real good idea of how the pyramids were built. Not just the Egyptian ones either, but the Mayan, Nubian, Mexico, Peru, various ziggurats. Not to mention structures in the Canary Islands, and China, and Siam.
But there are definitely things I don’t know. How the pyramids got built isn’t one of them. I also know there is plenty for evidence for well paid, well fed workers who were employed to build the pyramid. There was no slave labor, no exodus, no wondering in the desert. No evidence that the Red Sea was crossed and an army destroyed. You can wait to ask your imaginary friend for info if you want, I realized a while ago that plan was a dead end…
If you would just look in the mirror, you would see at least one piece of evidence.
The only thing my existence proves is that I do indeed exist. It does not prove that I was purposely made by some divine entity. Existence doesn’t prove intent. You are laboring under an inaccurate understanding of how evidence and logic work…
So, you want to exercise logic. Ok. Where did you come from. Ok. From your parents. accepted. So, where did your parents come from. Ok, indeed they came from their parents. Ok. to save time from where did the first parents of the first child come from?????????????
Now where is your logic taking you. Oh, to, to where, from some evolved, human wanna be. Ok, then from where did the wanna be come from? Oh, from some almost human wanna be. Ok, then lets save some time, and go way back. You are logicking, that some kind of some kind of a wanna be, started out, this long irrational rant of mine.
Now, from what kind of evidence are you rationalizing, that this kind of irrational reasoning is coming from. There has never, ever been any kind of evidence that has shown that any kind of species has developed from any kind of lesser species. Or for that matter from any kind of cross over to another species. There has always been the same species, that has gendered the same species, from the beginning of time. Remind of anything? How about Genesis 1:25 “And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good”
Now since no evidence of any kind of evolutionized species, has ever been seen, or scooped, or shoveled, from any of the many attempts of other irrationalizing, doubters of God such as yourself, it is more probable, that there are some of us who are de-evolving, into mindless apes, no wait, that would be insulting, the lesser creation, of Gods creation. Because, the Bible states that all of the rest of creation, recognize the fact that they were created from God, and they praise Him day and night. So, is seems that it is just man who need to get on board.
Never mind I did it, just to make sure it was there and here it is Tim. Remember to close your mouth, once you see that there is a chance that you and many other could be wrong.
The earth free-floats in space (Job 26:7), affected only by gravity. While other sources declared the earth sat on the back of an elephant or turtle, or was held up by Atlas, the Bible alone states what we now know to be true – “He hangs the earth on nothing.”
Modern Science In An Ancient (ICR)
Creation is made of particles, indiscernible to our eyes (Hebrews 11:3). Not until the 19th century was it discovered that all visible matter consists of invisible elements.
All About Atoms (Jefferson Lab)
The Bible specifies the perfect dimensions for a stable water vessel (Genesis 6:15). Ship builders today are well aware that the ideal dimension for ship stability is a length six times that of the width. Keep in mind, God told Noah the ideal dimensions for the ark 4,500 years ago.
The Ark’s perfect dimensions (Answers In Genesis)
Safety investigation of Noah’s Ark in a seaway (Answers In Genesis)
Noah’s Flood and the Gilgamesh Epic (Answers In Genesis)
When dealing with disease, clothes and body should be washed under running water (Leviticus 15:13). For centuries people naively washed in standing water. Today we recognize the need to wash away germs with fresh water.
-Why do I need to wash my hands?
Sanitation industry birthed (Deuteronomy 23:12-13). Some 3,500 years ago God commanded His people to have a place outside the camp where they could relieve themselves. They were to each carry a shovel so that they could dig a hole (latrine) and cover their waste. Up until World War I, more soldiers died from disease than war because they did not isolate human waste.
The First Book Of Public Hygiene (Answers In Genesis)
Modern medicine? (Answers In Genesis)
Oceans contain springs (Job 38:16). The ocean is very deep. Almost all the ocean floor is in total darkness and the pressure there is enormous. It would have been impossible for Job to have explored the “springs of the sea.” Until recently, it was thought that oceans were fed only by rivers and rain. Yet in the 1970s, with the help of deep diving research submarines that were constructed to withstand 6,000 pounds-per-square-inch pressure, oceanographers discovered springs on the ocean floors!
Springs of the Ocean (ICR)
There are mountains on the bottom of the ocean floor (Jonah 2:5-6). Only in the last century have we discovered that there are towering mountains and deep trenches in the depths of the sea.
Numerical Simulations Of Precipitation Induced By Hot Mid-Ocean Ridges (ICR)
Joy and gladness understood (Acts 14:17). Evolution cannot explain emotions. Matter and energy do not feel. Scripture explains that God places gladness in our hearts (Psalm 4:7), and ultimate joy is found only in our Creator’s presence – “in Your presence is fullness of joy” (Psalm 16:11).
Blood is the source of life and health (Leviticus 17:11; 14). Up until 120 years ago, sick people were “bled” and many died as a result (e.g. George Washington). Today we know that healthy blood is necessary to bring life-giving nutrients to every cell in the body. God declared that “the life of the flesh is in the blood” long before science understood its function.
Life in the Blood (ICR)
The Bible states that God created life according to kinds (Genesis 1:24). The fact that God distinguishes kinds, agrees with what scientists observe – namely that there are horizontal genetic boundaries beyond which life cannot vary. Life produces after its own kind. Dogs produce dogs, cats produce cats, roses produce roses. Never have we witnessed one kind changing into another kind as evolution supposes. There are truly natural limits to biological change.
Things You May Not Know About Evolution (ICR)
Creation – Evolution (ICR)
Evolution and the Bible (ICR)
The Fossil Record: Intermediate Links (ChristianAnswers.net)
Archaeopteryx A Feathered Reptile? (ChristianAnswers.net)
The Ape-Man: Missing Link (ChristianAnswers.net)
Biological Evolution Darwin’s Finches (ChristianAnswers.net)
Noble behavior understood (John 15:13; Romans 5:7-8). The Bible and history reveal that countless people have endangered or even sacrificed their lives for another. This reality is completely at odds with Darwin’s theory of the survival of the fittest.
Chicken or egg dilemma solved (Genesis 1:20-22). Which came first, the chicken or the egg? This question has plagued philosophers for centuries. The Bible states that God created birds with the ability to reproduce after their kind. Therefore the chicken was created first with the ability to make eggs! Yet, evolution has no solution for this dilemma.
What Came First, the Chicken or the Egg? (ICR)
The Egg/Chicken Conundrum (ICR)
Which came first, proteins or DNA (Revelation 4:11)? For evolutionists, the chicken or egg dilemma goes even deeper. Chickens consist of proteins. The code for each protein is contained in the DNA/RNA system. However, proteins are required in order to manufacture DNA. So which came first: proteins or DNA? The ONLY explanation is that they were created together.
Things that are Made (ICR)
Evolution Hopes You Don’t Know Chemistry: The Problem with Chirality (ICR)
Origin of Life: Critique of Early Stage Chemical Evolution Theories (ICR)
The Origin of Life: Theories on the Origin of Biological Order (ICR)
Our bodies are made from the dust of the ground (Genesis 2:7; 3:19). Scientists have discovered that the human body is comprised of some 28 base and trace elements – all of which are found in the earth.
The elements of the periodic table sorted by their presence in human body. (Lenntech)
The Bible is a Textbook of Science (ICR)
The First Law of Thermodynamics established (Genesis 2:1-2). The First Law states that the total quantity of energy and matter in the universe is a constant. One form of energy or matter may be converted into another, but the total quantity always remains the same. Therefore the creation is finished, exactly as God said way back in Genesis.
Modern Scientific Discoveries Verify the Scriptures (Institute For Creation Research)
The first three verses of Genesis accurately express all known aspects of the creation (Genesis 1:1-3). Science expresses the universe in terms of: time, space, matter, and energy. In Genesis chapter one we read: “In the beginning (time) God created the heavens (space) and the earth (matter)…Then God said, “Let there be light (energy).” No other creation account agrees with the observable evidence.
The universe had a beginning (Genesis 1:1; Hebrews 1:10-12). Starting with the studies of Albert Einstein in the early 1900s and continuing today, science has confirmed the biblical view that the universe had a beginning. When the Bible was written most people believed the universe was eternal. Science has proven them wrong, but the Bible correct.
Modern Scientific Discoveries Verify the Scriptures (Institute For Creation Research)
The earth is a sphere (Isaiah 40:22). At a time when many thought the earth was flat, the Bible told us that the earth is spherical.
Does the Bible Teach a Spherical Earth
Did Bible writers believe the earth was flat? (CristianAnswers.net)
Scripture assumes a revolving (spherical) earth (Luke 17:34-36). Jesus said that at His return some would be asleep at night while others would be working at day time activities in the field. This is a clear indication of a revolving earth, with day and night occurring simultaneously.
Origin of the rainbow explained (Genesis 9:13-16). Prior to the Flood there was a different environment on the earth (Genesis 2:5-6). After the Flood, God set His rainbow “in the cloud” as a sign that He would never again judge the earth by water. Meteorologists now understand that a rainbow is formed when the sun shines through water droplets – which act as a prism – separating white light into its color spectrum.
What causes a rainbow? (CristianAnswers.net)
The Rainbow And The Cloud (ICR)
Light can be divided (Job 38:24). Sir Isaac Newton studied light and discovered that white light is made of seven colors, which can be “parted” and then recombined. Science confirmed this four centuries ago – God declared this four millennia ago!
Ocean currents anticipated (Psalm 8:8). Three thousand years ago the Bible described the “paths of the seas.” In the 19th century Matthew Maury – the father of oceanography – after reading Psalm 8, researched and discovered ocean currents that follow specific paths through the seas! Utilizing Maury’s data, marine navigators have since reduced by many days the time required to traverse the seas.
Modern Scientific Discoveries Verify the Scriptures (Institute For Creation Research)
Sexual promiscuity is dangerous to your health (1 Corinthians 6:18; Romans 1:27). The Bible warns that “he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body,” and that those who commit homosexual sin would “receive in themselves” the penalty of their error. Much data now confirms that any sexual relationship outside of holy matrimony is unsafe.
Sex Habits Linked to Early Death, Disability (Fox News)
Reproduction explained (Genesis 1:27-28; 2:24; Mark 10:6-8). While evolution has no mechanism to explain how male and female reproductive organs evolved at the same time, the Bible says that from the beginning God made them male and female in order to propagate the human race and animal kinds.
Incalculable number of stars (Jeremiah 33:22). At a time when less than 5,000 stars were visible to the human eye, God stated that the stars of heaven were innumerable. Not until the 17th century did Galileo glimpse the immensity of our universe with his new telescope. Today, astronomers estimate that there are ten thousand billion trillion stars – that’s a 1 followed by 25 zeros! Yet, as the Bible states, scientists admit this number may be woefully inadequate.
The Stars of Heaven (Institute For Creation Research)
The number of stars, though vast, are finite (Isaiah 40:26). Although man is unable to calculate the exact number of stars, we now know their number is finite. Of course God knew this all along – “He counts the number of the stars; He calls them all by name” (Psalm 147:4). What an awesome God!
The Stars of Heaven (Institute For Creation Research)
The Bible compares the number of stars with the number of grains of sand on the seashore (Genesis 22:17; Hebrews 11:12). Amazingly, gross estimates of the number of sand grains are comparable to the estimated number of stars in the universe.
The Stars of Heaven (Institute For Creation Research)
Rejecting the Creator results in moral depravity (Romans 1:20-32). The Bible warns that when mankind rejects the overwhelming evidence for a Creator, lawlessness will result. Since the theory of evolution has swept the globe, abortion, pornography, genocide, etc., have all risen sharply.
Evolution and the American Abortion Mentality (ICR)
Is Creation One of the Traditional Values? (ICR)
Darwin’s Influence on Ruthless Laissez Faire Capitalism (ICR)
Would China Benefit from Christianity? (ICR)
The fact that God once flooded the earth (the Noahic Flood) would be denied (2 Peter 3:5-6). There is a mass of fossil evidence to prove this fact, yet it is flatly ignored by most of the scientific world because it was God’s judgment on man’s wickedness.
Vast fossil deposits anticipated (Genesis 7). When plants and animals die they decompose rapidly. Yet billions of life forms around the globe have been preserved as fossils. Geologists now know that fossils only form if there is rapid deposition of life buried away from scavengers and bacteria. This agrees exactly with what the Bible says occurred during the global Flood.
The Origin of Coal (ICR)
The continents were created as one large land mass (Genesis 1:9-10). Many geologists agree there is strong evidence that the earth was originally one super continent – just as the Bible said way back in Genesis.
Continental drift inferred (Genesis 7:11). Today the study of the ocean floor indicates that the landmasses have been ripped apart. Scripture states that during the global Flood the “fountains of the great deep were broken up.” This cataclysmic event apparently resulted in the continental plates breaking and shifting.
Recent Rapid Uplift of Today’s Mountains (ICR)
Continental Drift, Plate Tectonics, and the Bible (ICR)
Ice Age inferred (Job 38:29-30). Prior to the global Flood the earth was apparently subtropical. However shortly after the Flood, the Bible mentions ice often – “By the breath of God ice is given, and the broad waters are frozen” (Job 37:10). Evidently the Ice Age occurred in the centuries following the Flood.
Recent Rapid Uplift of Today’s Mountains (ICR)
Continental Drift, Plate Tectonics, and the Bible (ICR)
The Ice Age and the Genesis Flood (ICR)
Life begins at fertilization (Jeremiah 1:5). God declares that He knew us before we were born. The biblical penalty for murdering an unborn child was death (Exodus 21:22-23). Today, it is an irrefutable biological fact that the fertilized egg is truly an entire human being. Nothing will be added to the first cell except nutrition and oxygen.
Is the unborn human less than human? (CristianAnswers.net)
Cloning: Redefining When Life Begins Exposing Flaws in the Preembryo-Embryo Distinction (ICR)
God fashions and knits us together in the womb (Job 10:8-12; 31:15). Science was ignorant concerning embryonic development until recently. Yet many centuries ago, the Bible accurately described God making us an “intricate unity” in the womb.
Does The Human Embryo Go Through Animal Stages? (ICR)
DNA anticipated (Psalm 139:13-16). During the 1950s, Watson and Crick discovered the genetic blueprint for life. Three thousand years ago the Bible seems to reference this written digital code in Psalm 139 – “Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect [unformed]; and in Thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.”
Curiously Wrought (ICR)
God has created all mankind from one blood (Acts 17:26; Genesis 5). Today researchers have discovered that we have all descended from one gene pool. For example, a 1995 study of a section of Y chromosomes from 38 men from different ethnic groups around the world was consistent with the biblical teaching that we all come from one man (Adam)
One Blood: The biblical answer to racism (CristianAnswers.net)
Where Did The Races Come From? (ICR)
Origin of the major language groups explained (Genesis 11). After the rebellion at Babel, God scattered the people by confounding the one language into many languages. Evolution
I just wanted to place this in the open, so as to say, ” take that Atheists ” Ok, now explain this away. It, takes two to tango.
Gerald, it needs to be noted that you copied and pasted those 38 points from eternal-productions.org. I find it distasteful that you pass this off as your own research, with your own source for each item, when in reality you did none of the research, or even wrote the individual points. You plagiarized.
I will address the points though (too bad you didn’t post all 101, eh?).
1) In the same chapter of Job, it states that the Earth is on pillars. It also states as much in places like Job 9, Samuel 2, Psalm 75, etc., or on a foundation like in Psalm 18 and 82. Not to mention the heavens touching the Earth in Deuteronomy 4. Revelations 7 calls the Earth flat, even though the Greeks had discovered the Earth was a sphere 500 years before the birth of Christ. You can’t cherry pick one verse and ignore all the others that are obviously wrong astronomically. It’s all the word of a god creature, isn’t it?
2) The bible quote is: “By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.” Except that, obviously, it is visible. They couldn’t see matter back then? Obviously they could. The elements were clearly visible. The passage is claiming that the god made all of it out of nothing instead of making it out of stuff already sitting around. It’s absurd to think that verse means that the individual particles were too small to be seen by the human eye. What a fantastic leap of logic…
3) Genesis was probably written 5th or 6th century BC according to scholarly consensus. Even if it had been written 2500 years before the birth of Christ, the science of navigation and ship building began in India some 3000 years before Christ. The Arabian Sea was used for trade routes by 2500 BC. There are Egyptian paintings from around 1500 BC showing sails, oars, and aft rudders. Look up Hannu, the Egyptian noble known for water trade routes. Check out “ancient maritime history” and read all about it. The world knew how to build boats long before the mythical Ark…You don’t know your world’s history very well.
4) And just about every other verse in that chapter of Leviticus says just to wash in water, or wash the clothes or the bed or the chair in water. And of course you have to sacrifice birds too, or a turtle, before it’s truly gone. No quarantine, no disinfectant or soap, no changing the water. Just wash everything…in water. Which does nothing to kill bacteria or viruses. Or we can go to Leviticus 14 to find out that to cure leprosy all you need is the blood of a bird on another bird and some cedar and hyssop and other junk, and sprinkle the lepor like a irrigation system, and he’ll be cured. You need to anoint with oil too of course, and kill and burn various critters too. And it matters which hand the priest uses to do the oil thing…Obviously this claim is utter nonsense.
5) 31st century BC, flush toilets and a sanitation system in Skara Brae in modern Britian were used. Knossos used clay pipes and flush toilets in 1800 BC. Indian city of Lothal had flush toilets 2000 BC. Zhou Dynasty in China in 1000 BC. Deuteronomy was written as early as 800 BC. You don’t know your world’s history very well…
6) Sorry, I almost didn’t get past verse 13 which states the Earth has “edges”. Anyway, 16 states “Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea or walked in the recesses of the deep”. The springs part doesn’t state where they are. It has been known since antiquity that fresh water springs fed from underground rivers come out below the surface and bubble up through the salt water (because fresh water is less dense). No reason to think they were speaking of mid ocean ridges. And given people’s knowledge of sailing and seafaring it’s no surprise they knew the oceans were deep. They didn’t know how deep, but ships sank all the time. They understood this Gerald. Tell me though, were are the jars of water in the heavens in verse 37? I can’t believe a 747 hasn’t flown into one by now. How about the storehouses of hail and snow in verse 22? Maybe the place lightning is dispersed in verse 24? Where is the answer for that stuff at AIG or ICR???
7)”The roots of the mountains” it says. There are mountains along coastlines, Gerald. And the ancients could see that the slopes continued down into the water. You can see that on any Caribbean island if you hike up it. This is proof they knew of “underwater” mountains? That is ridiculous. I can’t believe you fall for such nonsense.
8) Google the evolution of emotions. There is a wide variety of source material available for you to read. For them to say that evolution cannot explain emotions is, well, a lie quite frankly. The Acts verse: “Yet he has not left himself without testimony: He has shown kindness by giving you rain from heaven and crops in their seasons; he provides you with plenty of food and fills your hearts with joy” doesn’t even say that joy is from a god. It says people felt joy because they got food. It’s obvious you didn’t bother to read the garbage you posted. Same thing with Psalms 4:7 “Fill my heart with joy when their grain and new wine abound.” What an easily debunked claim…
9) Blood is important to living things. So are most other things. If blood is the source of life, so is oxygen, water, air, vitamins, minerals, proteins, temperature, salts, and quite a few of the elements of the periodic table. Are you surprised that they knew blood was important? They slit the throats of animals to kill them. I’m sure they knew people bled to death in battle all the time back then. Butchering hasn’t changed much since then. People have always known blood was vital to life. So is the head. They cut that off to butcher animals too. Just because people practiced bleeding doesn’t mean they didn’t understand the importance of blood to living things. Did you bother to read ANY of the stuff you posted???
I’ll get to the rest of this later, Gerald. I haven’t time to explain it all to you in one posting. Maybe you could read some of it yourself and do your own debunking. It isn’t hard to do, trust me on that…
I like this one too. “Our bodies are made from the dust of the ground (Genesis 2:7; 3:19). Scientists have discovered that the human body is comprised of some 28 base and trace elements – all of which are found in the earth.
The elements of the periodic table sorted by their presence in human body. (Lenntech)
The Bible is a Textbook of Science (ICR)”
“Reproduction explained (Genesis 1:27-28; 2:24; Mark 10:6-8). While evolution has no mechanism to explain how male and female reproductive organs evolved at the same time, the Bible says that from the beginning God made them male and female in order to propagate the human race and animal kinds.
I am wondering how all the bad elements, or minerals that would have kept us from forming was not found in us? Why only the good?
“Today, so many Bible cities, names and events have been unearthed through archaeology that the Bible is considered the single most important historical document in existence. Many lost cities have been located using the Bible as a road map. So startling and impressive are some of the finds that one archaeologist was compelled to say, “They are digging up Bible stories!””
“Archaeologists are digging up bible stories:
100 stunning discoveries that confirm the Bible.
Archaeology is an important science that confirms the historical accuracy of the Bible. Since the Bible refers to hundreds of cities, kings, and places, we would expect to find evidence from on-site excavations. And this is exactly what we have found. The Bible is the most historically accurate book of history on earth. Read the Bible daily!
Photo Gallery of the 100 most incredible archeological objects
The shovel and spade have confirmed that the historical information of the Bible is both accurate and reliable.
Archaeology is an important science that confirms the historical accuracy of the Bible. Since the Bible makes reference to hundreds of cities, kings, and places, we would expect to find evidence from on-site excavations. If we did not find any such evidence, we would highly question the Bible’s claim of inspiration and tend to view it as myth and folklore. We would regard the Bible as the product of human imagination rather than a divinely inspired record about real historical events, about real people living in real cities.
At the turn of the century, skeptics viewed the Bible as myth rather than real world history . For example, the Bible makes over 40 references to the great Hittite Empire. You see, 100 years ago, no archaeological evidence had ever been found to prove it really did exist. “Just another Bible myth!” skeptics charged in an attempt to destroy our faith in the Bible. This, however, cannot be said today, for in 1906, Hugo Winckler uncovered a library of 10,000 clay tablets. These ancient records fully documented the long lost Hittite Empire and confirmed the reliability of the Bible. Later excavations uncovered Boghazkoy, the capital city of this “mythical” empire.
These discoveries not only authenticate Scripture, but also illuminate many aspects of biblical culture. Abraham’s purchase of Ephron’s field records the following: “So Ephron’s field, which was in Machpelah, which faced Mamre, the field and cave which was in it, and all the trees which were in the field, that were within all the confines of its border, were deeded over to Abraham for a possession in the presence of the sons of Heth.” (Genesis 23:17), This reflects the standard Hittite real estate procedure of counting the trees involved in any purchase or sale of land. Note also that the witnesses to Abraham’s purchase were the “son’s of Heth” -i.e. the Hittites.
Today, so many Bible cities, names and events have been unearthed through archaeology that the Bible is considered the single most important historical document in existence. Many lost cities have been located using the Bible as a road map. So startling and impressive are some of the finds that one archaeologist was compelled to say, “They are digging up Bible stories!”
Skeptics once rejected the Bible’s claim that the Hittite Empire existed until they saw the evidence with their own eyes. Today, skeptics reject the Bible’s claim that God himself exists or that the Bible is a divinely written book. Perhaps the only way they will believe in God is after they have seen him with their own eyes when they stand before Him in the judgment day. Only, then it will be too late!
For many centuries, the Old Testament stood as the lone historical record of numerous events, places and people of the ancient world. Many of these records were once publicly ridiculed by skeptics of the Bible as being inauthentic and incorrect. It was reasoned that since no mention of them had been found in any other historical writing that this proved once and for all that the Bible was incorrect. Recent archeological discoveries, however, have proven the Bible to be correct in great detail and those who opposed it to be false.
If only more would realize that the Bible is not only a guide to the fallen ruins of ancient cities, but also a road map to the glorious city of Heaven! If only more would trust their Bible as being God’s inspired message for mankind. Since archaeology has proven the historical trustworthiness of the Bible we had better take note about what the Bible says will happen in the future before it too, becomes a true footnote in history.
“We constantly thank God that when you received from us the word of God’s message,
you accepted it not as the word of men, but for what it really is, the word of God” (1 Thessalonians 2:13).
Museum of Archeology that confirms the Bible is God’s inspired word
Jabin of Joshua and Deborah was a dynastic name for the king of Hazor.
Two 18th century inscriptions have been found at Mari and Hazor with the name Jabin proving it is a dynastic name for all the kings of Hazor that lasted over 500 years.
Egyptian Conquest maps
Topographical name lists from 4 different Egyptian Pharaohs confirms the route of the exodus in Numbers 33 and Joshua 15.
An inscription found at Deir Alla, “Balaam Son of Beor, seer of the gods” proves Balaam of Numbers 22-24.
Conquest of Joshua in Egyptian cuneiform tablets
Amarna Tablets are a collection of 382 clay tablets written by the Canaanites to Pharaoh of Egypt, asking him for help in defending themselves from the invading Israelites under Joshua.
The Shashu of Yahweh’s Land
“The Shashu of Yahweh’s Land” is found in two inscription: The Soleb Temple Cartouche of Amenhotep III: 1396-1358 BC and Amarah West inscription of Ramesses II: 1304-1237 BC. Here is a reference to the promised land of Canaan when Joshua was still alive after completing the conquest!
“Israel” in Egyptian name rings and Steles
Two occurrences of the word “Israel” in the Egyptian name rings of the Berlin Relief (1350 BC) and the “Israel” Merneptah Stele (1205 BC) prove the conquest was 1406 BC! The Merneptah Stele created during the 20 year post-Ehud oppression cycle of Judges 4:1-3
These are the nail in the coffin for the anti-Biblical late exodus date of 1250 BC and Ramesses II as the pharaoh of the exodus.
“Israel” in Egyptian name rings and Steles
The word “Israel” is found on the Merneptah Stele (1205 BC) which proves the conquest was 1406 BC by putting a nail in the coffin for the late exodus date of 1250 BC.
Jeroboam’s Golden Calf Altar
The pagan altar at Tel Dan was originally built by Jonathan, the grandson of Moses in 1340 BC. for 617 years his sons served as dynastic priests until the captivity of 723 BC. Jeroboam set up his golden calf on this altar in 931 BC.
Shishak’s 187 name rings of conquered cities in Israel.
In 926 BC, Shishak invades Judah and Israel in the 5th year of Rehoboam, king of Judah and Jeroboam, King of Israel. The entire campaign was etched in stone at the Karnak temple of Amun as a second witness to the Bible record.
Victory Stele of Hazael and the House of David inscription discovered outside the city gate of Tel Dan.
The Tel Dan Stele lists 8 different kings listed in the Bible and evidences 3-5 different Bible stories that happened around 841 BC.
Josiah, Omri, Ben-Hadad III Stela of Adad-Nirari III, King of Assyria (810-783 BC)
A stunning collection of six (6) stela, statues and inscriptions fully document how God used Assyrian king Adad-Nirari III, as the one who delivered Josiah, king of Israel, out of the hand of the Ben-Hadad III, king of Aram at Damascus in 2 Kings 13:4-5.
Coins Jesus used!
Encyclopedia of Bible coins.
378BC – 135 AD
Hundreds of high quality coin photos, each with 14 different bits of informational data covering 7 different periods of Bible history.
By Steve Rudd: Contact the author for comments, input or corrections.
Thank you for making me look it up. I was just think out loud not knowing where to look, but I was sure my statement had merit, because I know that the Bible is true. And has been true. It has outlived all those who have not only said that it would not last, but all those who have attempted to eradicate, the Book of all books from the face of this earth and especially from our hearts and minds. And judging from its track record, it will continue to do so until the Author and the actual Word of the Bible comes to present us to His Father and our Father.
Don’t feel dejected, you are not the only person who fails to realize the benefit of God’s word. But you could be one of the ones who now have seen the error of their ways and have dedicated their lives to God. You to can come to the One who is calling to you. He longs to keep His promise that He has made to each and everyone of His creation on this earth. He has made promises to us. And He honors His promises. And that is because He loves us so much. That is why His Son came to show us how much He loves us. Enough to die for us. I’ll be praying for you.
And Tim, you really need to dig and see how the possibility of Israel, becoming the nation it is today, as it was just an up and coming nation, in the past, you will see it in itself is a miracle. Especially when you consider, how many times the Jewish people were conquered and resettled, and still, has retained its uniqueness, until today. But talking about the miraculous dealings of the Bible, the Bible is itself a well accepted historic book, but you do realize that many of the nations when faced with embarrassing moments struck the moments from the record of its history, leaving only the good and not the bad. Unlike the Bible which declares ” what you see is what you get”. Nothing was withheld, which only glorifies God even more, because when you recognize that the people that God had to work with, with all their vicissitudes, were still used to work God’s will, inspite of their, imperfections.
That’s just it Tim. You are asking for proof. But much of the proof you are asking for it is either untouchable or more or less given just by history or what has been written or what has been told to someone else who has written it down for example the Bible. And granted much of what we are talking about could be labeled as hearsay. But when you include all of the unsupportable but very frequent testimonies, when you have so many testimonies people past and present who are saying the same thing. What happens when you have witnesses who say the same thing over and over again you cannot just dismiss them. There must be some truth to them. And when you include their testimonies to what the Bible has said to what many famous and intellectual people who have gone on record as to the probability of there being a Creator, then this is even more evidence that there is a Creator. Then when you add to the fact that everything that is created is created in such a way as to suggest that an intelligence created them. Then when you add to that the fact that although many who do not want to accept the possibility of there being a creator but yet still do not have any other response or possibility of out everything that is created or has been created but looks like a Creator created them, Zen and a hippo use the phrase correctly ipso facto then there must be a Creator. Now sure there is some kind of evidence that there is not a Creator if you overlook the other evidence that they had to been one. The evidence that you that you have that there is not a creative is this the fact that someone says it’s impossible or maybe this was done this way or this was done that way or maybe the universe is created to this or through that, but still all of this can not be shown or proven. It is all theory. And since a lot of this story doesn’t make any sense or leaves more questions than answers, and once again when you look at the fact that everything seems to have been created by an intelligence then if so facto there must have been an intelligence that created them
“Until you can provide empirical data supporting such claims, it can only be considered baseless speculation.”
And please Tim, all of what is considered for the other possibilities for the universe creation of the universe or for its existence, all that is considered to be the non creationistic way for life on this planet is pure supposition in itself. There is no factual proof for what is being taught as being truth. It has merely been stated so often that people think it’s true.
Tim. No, subterfuge intended. However, I did have to do some research to find the site that you yourself discovered? or found a footprint of what I intended for all to find. None the less what was provided was all true about the Bible and there was a lot more that I just didn’t feel needed to be given due to the fact that it would be like killing a fly with a sledge hammer.
The fact is that if anyone who honestly is seeking to know the true answer about how we and everything else happened to be in existence, then seriously applying the one factor that an Intelligent being made it so, would be the most logical explanation, due to the fact that all other theories come up short in explaining the one question that keeps popping up, and that is why does everything look so exceptionally well made, and especially well made to suit man. And also, those other theories that I mentioned? Well, they can not explain how so many of what is made, could not have evolved with out parts that had to have been added at the same time or else those things, could not have survived. I am referring to organisms that have systems that could not function, without having been brought into being with vital systems needed for them to survive, and that they could not have waited around for millions of years or seconds of hours, for some type of evolutionary process to happen in order to allow those organisms to exist.
For example: 1) Feat- Creates and combines chemicals that explodes. his points/questions: The bug has a special firing chamber and increased manueverability in it’s tail end to aim the chemicals. Without those two features, it would just blow itself up, so how would it evolve that?
Feat- Has massive heart that pumps blood powerfully up neck. When it brings it’s head down, blood should burst it’s brain, but there’s a sponge-type thing that stops the blood. When coming back up, giraffe should faint with lack of blood to brain, but sponge releases blood into brain and special valves keep it there. Question/claim – How would it manage to evolve all that, each long necked giraffe would die when it went to drink water or when it brought it’s head up and ran from a predator.
3) Woodpecker Feat- Tongue that has barbs, produces glue that attaches to bugs, produces solution that dissolves glue once it’s in mouth so it can swallow bugs without swallowing tongue. Question/claim: How did it evolve that if it has to have one or it can’t have the other? Pretty much the same question as all the other ones above.
4) European Green Woodpecker Feat Has a tongue that starts in the back of the throat, goes down throat, out back of neck, over top of head, out hole between eyes, then in through a nostril and then comes out of the beak. Claim- “How and where did this tongue come from?” “God made this woodpecker to challenge the evolutionary community”
5 ) Australian incubator bird- feat Female lays up to 1/2 pound eggs(almost the size of an ostrich egg, but these birds are 3.5-4 pounds) once every 3 days for 7 months. Female makes thick eggshel with ice cream cone shaped cones. The male, during 7 month period (in this specific species of australian incubator bird he’s talking about) keeps the nest at exactly 91 degrees Fahrenheit and 99.5% humidity. Otherwise, the chicks will die. He alters temperature by throwing things in, taking things out, etc. Chicks hatch and dig themselves out of the nest (more like a mound that they’ve been buried in) Chicks lay on their backs, scrape against mulch above them, shake it off their chest, pack it down with wings, continue. Take up to three days to dig themselves out “with nobody to tell them how to do it” “Nobody tells it what to eat or how to eat, but it goes out and finds it” “Next year, the new bird will build a nest, but daddy bird didn’t teach him how. He starts building a mound all by himself with nobody telling him how to do it. It’s a miracle” Claim Same as always.
6) chickens in general feat Eggshells are very complicated with their porous system that allows entry of air and disposal of water/wastes created by chick inside. “How do you explain all the intricate mechanisms and the perfect timing that it takes for an egg to develop”
7) duck billed platypus
feat Has electro-receptors that can locate electrical receptors in prey. “it’s a miracle”
Tim, I understand how hard it is to dismiss all that this “world” has said about the possibility of there being a Creator. Society after all, has made it seem that there had to have been another explanation as to how it all has come to be. And that it all just had to have happen, and that it happened, although well designed, it happened without a Designer. Society speaks about the theory of evolution as though Evolution is no longer a theory. As though it has been proven without the shadow of a doubt.
But look at the examples I have given. And these are just a fraction of what is out there. There are so many that many a use to be Atheist has cast Evolution aside to either embrace Creationism, or just utter the ” I don’t know ” to the question. And this is only the most simple of reasons to forget evolution. Those who deal with the atom and beyond have show even more reason as to why evolution and other theories of this Universe’s existence, could not hold a candle to the most solid explanation as to our being here then that of a Creator.
Take a look at what I found from Conservapedia: Logical examples
Evolution cannot explain artistic beauty, such as brilliant autumn foliage and the staggering array of beautiful marine fish, which originated before any human to view them. “Natural selection has no reason to produce beauty,” Ann Gauger says in Metamorphosis about a principle that applies to flowers as well as butterflies. “Beauty is a sign of the transcendent. It’s purely gratuitous. We all recognize it. We just have to acknowledge what it points to.” See: Argument from beauty
The current annual rate of extinction of species far exceeds any plausible rate of generation of species. Expanding the amount of time for evolution to occur makes evolution even less likely.
The Second Law of Thermodynamics establishes that everything in the world becomes more disordered over time, in the absence of intelligent intervention. The theory of evolution falsely claims that some systems can become more ordered over time, like an impossible perpetual motion machine. See: Evolution and the second law of thermodynamics and Genetic entropy
Royal Truman and Peter Borger wrote concerning optimization and the genetic code: “The distribution of ‘code quality’ would roughly follow a Gaussian distribution, based on the law of large numbers. This means that as coding conventions are improved, it would be ever more difficult for natural selection to generate yet better codes.”
More than 70% of Earth is covered with water, devastating flooding is frequent, and a massive ancient flood is historically recorded by every culture. Limestone and fossils exist at the highest peaks of altitude. Yet mammals cannot survive large floods. It is impossible to increase the period of time to permit evolution without also increasing the likelihood of extinction of mammals due to large flooding.
Evolution cannot explain the lack of genetic diversity among the Homo sapiens species. Were evolution and the Old Earth theory true, the human population would show a much larger genetic variance. Some scientists have stated that a troop of 55 chimpanzees contains more genetic diversity than the entire human race; this would support the idea that all chimps are descended from a relatively large initial population while all humans are descended from a much smaller initial population (two people, perhaps). 80% of all human diversity is found on the African continent, which accords with a human population growing from a small group in the post-Flood Middle East.
Parrot feathers are a problem for evolutionists. For more information, please see parrot feathers.
Parsimonious repetition of design elements throughout Creation, e.g. the eye’s appearance in remarkably different species. For such complex structures to arise repeatedly via evolution is impossible, as evolution is an inherently random and historically contingent process.
Pleiotropy, the fact that a change of a single gene can have several different effects, renders the “improvement” of animals by random mutation impossible, as any mutation with a potentially beneficial effect will be coupled with one or more other potentially lethal effects.
The development of feathers, which could not have conceivably “grown” from the scales of reptiles
For evolution to be true, every male dog, cat, horse, elephant, giraffe, fish and bird had to have coincidentally evolved with a female alongside it (over billions of years) with fully evolved compatible reproductive parts and a desire to mate, otherwise the species couldn’t keep going.
There are no historical records of anyone directly observing one major kind of animal evolving into another, which would certainly be something worth writing about. Also, “Why are the (expected) countless millions of transitional fossils missing?”
If evolution were to explain where human beings come from, then every personality type should benefit human life. This is clearly untrue because the world is filled with liars, psychopaths, and murderers. These traits clearly do not benefit humanity.
If homosexuality is a result of genetics like many liberals claim and not a sinful choice, evolution should lead to the extinction of homosexuality, yet to this day homosexuality exists among humans. See: Causes of homosexuality
The Theory of Evolution dictates that all organisms descended from single celled bacteria. Considering that bacteria are, and always have been, the most successful group of organisms, covering all areas of the globe in some of the most extreme environments, why would it have been advantageous to evolve into organisms that are so much more limited to the environments they can inhabit? Surely, staying as bacteria would be far more advantageous, due to their tolerance of extreme conditions, quick reproduction time, etc.
Now although I am not a lawyer or judge, I have watched a few in action on the Tele.
but you know how there are instances when no witness is around to a crime in process? Well, the detectives come in and look for evidence. When they have found all the evidence and they process it and they look at it logically, and apply that logic to finding out the perpetrator to that crime. Well, look at the evidence Tim. Those who knock the possibility of there being a Creator, can only look dumbfounded to these and many more questions that are just the tip of an iceberg of questions awaiting there turn for an explanation from those who think it all happened by “chance”.
So Tim, I know it is hard for a moving object to change direction, but, not if one has sufficient reason, to get off. The ship you are sailing on, is sinking. Many Atheist have already, jumped ship, but the lies have been told for so long, and those die hards are still insisting that what they believed just have to be, even though, what they are believing has so many holes in it, that it won’t carry water, let along air, or truth.
Psalm 14King James Version (KJV)
“14 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.”
Jeremiah 29:13New International Version (NIV)
“13 You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.”
Now look up Matthew chapter 7 verse 7 and all you need to do is ASK. And then He promises
Revelation 3:20King James Version (KJV)
“20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.”
He has put himself on the spot. This is something that He has promised that He will do. To disprove Him, all you need to do is ask and open the door and see if He is there or not. But do this because you really want to know. And to know Him. Because He is looking after all to have a relationship with you.
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