Near Death Experiences – does Christianity “win”?

Question from Kustav:
I was wondering something with regards to Near Death Experiences.

Why is it that I can find numerous NDEs where the experience entails Jesus, but I cannot find any NDEs where a Muslim for example meets Muhammad, or a Hindu meets Krishna. I have however, read stories of Atheists, Jews, Muslims, and even Hindus meeting Jesus. I was wondering, even hypothetically, if it was true that no NDEs of Muhammad exist within the Muslim world, with all the NDEs documented with Jesus, does this give Christianity more merit or truth value? What is your opinion?

Answer by SmartLX:
Hindu NDE claims are actually quite common, as researchers in India have found and documented here. In contrast, see number 8 on this list for the Muslim perspective on NDEs. In short, Muslims have scriptural reasons to think they wouldn’t be conscious of any NDE they had, they also have scriptural reasons not to talk about any NDEs they do have, and yet a few Muslims still claim to have had them.

So your main question is indeed a hypothetical one, but I’m fine with that so here we go. For NDEs to be any support at all for the existence of a particular deity the veracity of the NDEs themselves would have to be established, and this has never been done. Past that hurdle, for the majority of NDEs being of one type to support the existence of that afterlife and that god, one would have to eliminate other possible reasons for the disparity, and that’s rather difficult. Islam has reasons built in for being light on NDEs as I mentioned, but the main issue is that NDEs are a cultural meme which is reinforced as it becomes more common. If a Christian has an NDE it fits very well with the theology and there’s an army of people ready to believe it without ever asking for evidence, which only encourages more claims. (Do you have any idea how much money Heaven Is for Real made?) Christianity may simply be ahead of the social curve on the topic.

10 thoughts on “Near Death Experiences – does Christianity “win”?”

  1. Whichever one experiences, whether alive or dead, sleeping or awake, when that experience is going to be used to form an opinion, or used as a basis to build a belief upon, then one must be careful to gather all the facts and seek help in applying all those facts to a logical conclusion.
    First, let’s see if we can just dismiss all of these LDE’s. Can they all be discounted as purely made up or accounted to the lack of oxygen due to asphyxia. Is it due to some wild imaginations of some, as is the theory of evolution. Or is there some One that is actually directing, trying to communicate in a last ditch effort with that person. But we need something to use as a measure stick to help us sift through the wrong and get to the truth. And that is the use of the Bible. If the advice you obtain from friends, family, associates, is backed up by what the Bible gives, go with it. It it doesn’t, run from it as you would from the plague.

    1. Kustav – Gerald’s above post is a classic example of why you want to avoid getting information from proselytizing believers. He speaks about NDE’s (and possible causes) and then tells you, from out of the blue, that you should use the Bible as a measuring stick to help “sift through the wrong and get to the truth”. Why should you do this? Oh, he doesn’t state any of that. You are just supposed to take his word for it. See what he did there? He talks about possible medical reasons (lack of oxygen for example) and then tells you to use a 2000 year old collection of writings to make your determination. This is the same book that tells you, in dealing with leprosy, to get two birds. Kill one. Dip the live bird in the blood of the dead one. Sprinkle the blood on the leper seven times, and then let the blood-soaked bird fly off. Next find a lamb and kill it. Wipe some of its blood on the patient’s right ear, thumb, and big toe. Sprinkle seven times with oil and wipe some of the oil on his right ear, thumb and big toe. Repeat. Finally kill a couple doves and offer one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering.

      Makes you wonder what else believers are using the Bible as a source of information for. The possibilities are rather frightening…

      1. Kustav? Was there a question in there some where? It is no secret, we’ll except to you, that the Bible, over and over again has been shown to be a reliable source of information formation. No one has ever been able to prove that the Bible has given false I formation or information that is I correct. (And many have tried, but go no avail. And if what I have just said, why do most of the Christians still hold the Bible as their basis for belief. I included the Bible for a source of information be a useful it is the only book that I know of that deals with life before and after death. I do not see why the Bible should not be consulted. If you know of another source with a more proven track record for good direction, (especially for spiritual direction) I am open to discuss this also. Any way, what is your reason for rejecting or calling my post into question? Have you ever found reason to question the validity or the purpose of the Bible?

        1. Kustav – The Bible has been shown time and again, at this website and many others, to be unreliable. In Genesis 1 and 2 we get two different stories of the order of appearance of animals and man. We are also told that plants came before the sun, that bats are birds, and other utter nonsense. The Bible has claimed a worldwide flood event which can be proven to be impossible. The various Codex and other ancient texts have shown just how much editing and changing the Bible has gone through over time, not to mention the exclusion of other works like the Gospel of Mary Magdalene by the early leaders of the church.

          This has all been pointed out to believers on this site previously of course, easily proven with a quick check of the comment sections. But the cultists continue preaching in each and every topic regardless of the topic. That’s why we get Bible verses when someone asked about NDE’s…

  2. Lesson 14 – Revelation’s Hell-Fire, Revealing God’s Love
    The story is told of a young man born in New York, the son of a Christian
    minister. And as a preacher’s son, he often found himself in a position of
    hardship due to meeting his father’s stern requirements. Every time he
    would err or do something wrong, his father would sit him down and
    sharply reprimanded him. He threatened, “Robert, if you keep committing
    these sins, Almighty God is going to put you in hell and burn you forever
    and ever! ” After years of this, the young man finally had enough. In in his
    desperation one day, he couldn’t take it any longer. He retorted, “Dad, if
    that’s the kind of God you serve, I don’t want anything to do with Him.”
    and he got up and left home. He soon became known as Mr. Robert
    Ingersall, the world renowned atheist who hated the Bible and defied God.
    All because of this one teaching: hell-fire.
    The devil has confused people so much on this subject. And
    through the ages, a lot of money has been raised over this subject
    as people were led to fear God as a cruel, hateful being who loved
    to roast people in the fires of hell. So on the onset, let’s ask two
    questions. 1. What kind of God do we serve–loving or cruel? John
    3:16 answers that, God is love! 2. Is God in partnership with the
    devil? Is the devil God’s hired superintendent to keep people
    roasting and toasting through eternity? No! God has nothing to do
    with the devil! The Bible will make this subject very clear and simple
    as we go through all the texts.
    Truly, friends, in every subject of the Bible, God`s love and desire
    to save is revealed. Even in this twisted truth, you will see we serve
    a God of love, and we will see His love in Hell-fire. There are three
    basic questions in this subject. WHEN, WHERE, and HOW LONG
    will hell-fire burn? We will address them in this order. In our
    previous lesson, we studied that there would be only two groups
    when Jesus comes–the righteous and the wicked. One is saved
    and taken to heaven, the other is lost and destroyed in hell.
    The word hell is used 55 times in the Bible, but this word has
    several meanings. In the Old Testament and New Testament the
    word “Sheol” or “Hades” is used 42 times meaning the grave. Then
    in the New Testament, we also find the word “Gehenna” is used
    meaning a place of burning. It is used 12 times. So every time you
    read “hell” it does not always mean “fire.” One must look at the
    context to see if it is referring to “the grave,” or “the place of fire.”
    Let’s begin with our first question.
    WHEN WILL HELL-FIRE BURN?
    In Matthew 13:36- 43, Jesus gives the parable of the tares. “Then
    Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his
    disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the
    tares of the field. He answered and said unto them, He that soweth
    the good seed is the Son of man; The field is the world; the good
    seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children
    of the wicked one; The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the
    harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. As
    therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be
    in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels,
    and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and
    them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire:
    there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the
    righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who
    hath ears to hear, let him hear.” He says the harvest is at the end of
    the world. The Bible never contradicts itself. Remember we studied
    that the dead sleep in their graves until Jesus comes? That’s in
    perfect harmony. Notice verses 49-50, “So shall it be at the end of
    the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked From
    among the just, And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there
    shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.” Let’s get another text, 2
    Peter 2:9, “The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of
    temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to
    be punished.” God reserves the wicked until the day of judgment.
    That should raise an intelligent question in your minds. How many
    people are in hell today? Not one. When will God judge? Let’s
    establish this. Second Timothy 4:1, “I charge thee therefore before
    God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the
    dead at his appearing and his kingdom.”
    Let`s read Revelation 20:11- 15,”And I saw a great white throne,
    and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven
    fled away;and there was found no place for them. And I saw the
    dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were
    opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life:
    and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in
    the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead
    which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which
    were in them: and they were judged every man according to their
    works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the
    second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of
    life was cast into the lake of fire.” All are judged at the second
    resurrection at the end of the world. When we go to heaven, we will
    see God’s justice as we judge, and after the millennium. God will
    pronounce judgment and fire. He then devours the wicked.
    Revelation 20:9, “And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and
    compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and
    fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.”
    Below is an illustration of these events.
    SECOND COMING MILLENNIUM JUDGMENT DAY
    First Resurrection (saved) Second Resurrection (lost)
    Saints go to Heaven Hell-Fire from God
    First Death of Wicked Second Death of Wicked
    WHERE IS HELL?
    Revelation 20:9 added some light. It said they would be on the
    “breadth of the earth” when fire comes down from God. Proverbs
    11:31 says, “Behold, the righteous shall be recompensed in the
    earth: much more the wicked and the sinner.” The wicked are
    rewarded on the earth. Deuteronomy even says the mountains will
    be set on fire! Deuteronomy 32:22, “For a fire is kindled in mine
    anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the
    earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the
    mountains.” Hell is right here. Hell will burn over this whole earth. 2
    Peter 3:7, “But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the
    same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of
    judgment and perdition of ungodly men.” The heavens and earth
    are reserved unto fire! Verse 10, “But the day of the Lord will come
    as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away
    with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat,
    the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.”
    The elements will melt with heat. All will be burned up! Verses 11-
    13, “Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what
    manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and
    godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of
    God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the
    elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according
    to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein
    dwelleth righteousness.” Then God can create a new heaven and
    earth! Revelation 21:1, “And I saw a new heaven and a new earth:
    for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there
    was no more sea.” There will be a new heavens and a new earth,
    the first is passed away. Hell-fire will be wonderful; for this earth, all
    sin, and all sinners will be burned up and God will make all things
    new! There is only one way to thoroughly destroy something. That
    is by fire! God will purify this earth with fire and sin will never exist
    again! Praise the Lord!
    HOW LONG WILL HELL-FIRE BURN?
    Here is where most people stumble. Here too is where the devil has
    distorted a few verses to cause many people to hate God, and to
    look at Him as a cruel tyrant. First let’s follow the Bible rule and get
    a complete picture by going through many verses on the subject.
    Then we will deal with a few of the seemingly difficult texts.
    Though the Bible does not give the exact length of time. we do
    know it will not be through all eternity. Here are three reasons why.
    1. If God says hell is going to burn on earth, and then says He will
    recreate a new heavens and a new earth here, how could He make
    a new earth if hell was burning throughout eternity?
    2. God is just and fair. Let’s say that Cain who killed one man was
    sent to hell 6,000 years ago, and then Hitler who killed millions
    joined him. Would it be fair for Cain to burn 6,000 years longer than
    Hitler? Absolutely not! Would it make any sense of justice for a
    short life of sins to be punished for eternity?
    3. We studied that man is not immortal, and only those who love
    Jesus will be given immortality, when He comes (1 Corinthians
    15:51)! But if the wicked burned through all eternity, would they not
    also have eternal life? To be tormented forever, you must live
    forever.

  3. (part 2)You see, reason alone tells us hell will not burn through eternity.
    Let’s go to the Word now and see. Romans 6:23, “For the wages of
    sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ
    our Lord.” The wages of sin is death. Another text that is famous
    around the world, John 3:16, “For God so loved the world, that he
    gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should
    not perish, but have everlasting life.” Jesus said Himself in Matthew
    7:13.”Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is
    the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in
    thereat.” David way back in the Old Testament said it the same
    way. Psalms 37:9- 11, “For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that
    wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth. For yet a little
    while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently
    consider his place, and it shall not be. But the meek shall inherit the
    earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.”
    “The wicked shall not be,” but the meek shall inherit the earth. Then
    read verse 20, “But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the
    LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke
    shall they consume away.” The wicked perish, as the fat of lambs,
    into smoke they consume away. Isn’t that plain? David wrote of it
    again in Psalms 68:2, “As smoke is driven away, so drive them
    away: as wax melteth before the fire, so let the wicked perish at the
    presence of God.” “As was melteth … so the wicked perish.” One
    last text, Malachi 4:1- 3, “For, behold, the day cometh, that shall
    burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly,
    shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith
    the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
    But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness
    arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up
    as calves of the stall. And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they
    shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do
    this, saith the LORD of hosts.” The wicked will be stubble, turned to
    ashes. And after God rains fire down to cleanse the earth, we can
    go out, and the wicked will be ashes under our feet. That’s clear!
    Let`s go back to Revelation 20:9,”And they went up on the breadth
    of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the
    beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and
    devoured them.” As they try to capture the city, God puts an end to
    it. Verse 14 says it’s the second death. “And death and hell were
    cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.” And chapter 21
    goes right on as God then creates a new heaven and earth. The
    first is passed away. Verse 4, “And God shall wipe away all tears
    from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow,
    nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former
    things are passed away.” There will be no pain or crying. If hell
    were burning through eternity, there would be! But no, in verse 5,
    God makes all things new. “And he that sat upon the throne said,
    Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for
    these words are true and faithful.” Do you see it now? Hell-fire is
    really wonderful! This earth with its corruption, movie houses,
    hospitals, jails, and all the things sin has caused, is going to be
    burned up, and all sin will forever be removed! And friends, the
    devil will be the kindling for the fire! Ezekiel 28:18-19, “Thou hast
    defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the
    iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst
    of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the
    earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. All they that know
    thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a
    terror, and never shalt thou be any more.” He will never be
    anymore! Praise the Lord! You see, the real issue in hell is not the
    “fire.” The fire is the quickest, most merciful way God can destroy
    sin and all sinners who love sin more than righteousness. The real
    “hell” is going to be the realization that we missed heaven and an
    eternity of joy because we counted the pleasures of sin more
    important than eternal life.
    God will make an end of sin and sinners forever. Never again will
    we have to know sin, for all things will be new. Nahum 1:9, “What
    do ye imagine against the LORD’ he will make an utter end:
    affliction shall not rise up the second time.” Sin shall not arise a
    second time! Let’s all choose to be in that group that will live forever
    and never again know what sickness is, or anything that has to do
    with sin. We can all be in that group if we so choose. Hell isn’t for
    people. God has prepared it for the devil and his angels (Matthew
    25:41). And God wants to save you. Ezekiel 33:11,”Say unto them,
    As I live, saith the Lord GOD. I have no pleasure in the death of the
    wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn
    ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?”
    Thank God, we can look forward with great joy to spending a
    sinless eternity with Him. What a God of love!
    *A BRIEF HISTORY OF HOW THE DOCTRINES OF ETERNAL
    TORMENT AND THE IMMORTALITY OF THE SOUL ENTERED
    THE CHURCH:
    Some have wondered how the doctrine of the natural immortality of
    the soul (the belief that when a man dies he goes immediately to
    heaven) and the doctrine of the eternal torment of the wicked (the
    belief that the fires of hell never go our) ever became a part of the
    Christian Church–especially in view of all that the Bible teaches
    concerning the sleep of the dead, and the utter destruction of the
    wicked. Again. let it be repeated that the testimony of Scripture is
    clear, convincing, and complete. We now wish to trace the history
    of how the Christian Church apostatized from the truth on this
    doctrine.
    The doctrine of man’s natural immortality had its origin, not as a
    revelation from God, but in a revelation to man by the old serpent
    among the beautiful trees of the garden of Eden. There the tempter

    1. That was a very long and detailed post to explain something that has nothing to do with Kustav’s question. If he wanted to know about hell fire I’m sure he would’ve asked about hellfire. This appears to be nothing more than preaching, which seems inappropriate given that this space is supposed to be related to discussing the question asked.

      By the way, Robert G. Ingersoll was known as the “Great Agnostic”, not an atheist, and Walt Whitman called him the greatest orator of his day. I cannot verify the claim you’ve made (actually the claim the website that you cut and paste that from without proper reference) that Ingersoll hated his father.

      1. You see, you don’t understand that both are from one single lie, that uses each other to support one another. And I fail to understand why you fail to see theif relationship to one another. To burn in hell you need to be able to live forever. Is there a hell? Yes, in the future. Is there a physical hell someplace, now? Nor. Hell will be when God prepares to remake the earth. Which is to come in the future. And sorry about the failure to disclose. I copied it at an earlier time and could not find from where I had obtained it. But that was not the point of the post. The post was to explain what the Bible really says about hell, about life eternal and when and for whom one or the other, each person will experience them. Please, if you have any questions, I will do my best answer them. (Using the Bible of course)

  4. The person you received your information about the birds and blood did not mention that the blood and birds were for after the High Priest had examined the person who had leprosy and upon examination the High Priest declared the person to have been free of leprosy. ” The Lord said to Moses, 2 “These are the regulations for any diseased person at the time of their ceremonial cleansing, when they are brought to the priest: 3 The priest is to go outside the camp and examine them. If they have been healed of their defiling skin disease,[a “. But please remember, you must take into account the entire word of God if you are going to speak about a subject. Not just pull a text and say something about it. Or use only one to make a point.

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