Don’t we need a god to save us?

Susan asks: Seeing all of the bad things that happen in our world, how can you not pray to a god to save us from all of this?

Jake answers: Because we’re doing fine enough on our own. Yes there are plenty of problems in the world. Hunger, violence, disease, finances, but compared to 100 years ago, we are as a species doing much better then we have in the past. People are living longer, there is less violence, people have access to information like never before, and so on. People pay to much attention to the news whose job it seems to be to report even the most insignificant negative story in order to get ratings.

In truth, religion like the news, is dependent on things being bad as well. Why else would you need a savior unless the world was quickly decaying into chaos? Why else would you need clerics to tell you how to live your life unless it was because people are to immoral to figure it out for themselves? Like I said in my post about overcoming adversity without a god religions job is to tell you that things are bad, that humans are weak petty things and that unless you have a sky daddy looking over you, you’re going to suffer. Nothing could be further from the truth.

When was the last time you heard a preacher talk about how great things are? How even though there’s hunger, we still feed (and yes I know, throw away) more people then we ever have in the history of mankind? When was the last time you heard a priest talk about how things like the flu used to kill millions each year or how only a 100 years ago the average life span was 25? How about how most countries don’t have child labor or how women across the world now have more rights then they ever have? I’m not saying things can’t get better but the truth is there are people out there coming up with solutions to world problems more then at any point in history. It’s not religion that is making things better, it’s science. Science has given us agriculture, medicine, technology, and more. It’s individuals who studied and used the scientific method to come up with solutions to problems, and you know what ? There’s no reason to believe that science wont continue to make things better. So ask yourself, why doesn’t religion tell us these things?

The simple answer is because they need you to believe that things are bad. Religion doesn’t want things to go well for humans because if people realized they didn’t need to be saved from an invisible devil who tempts us to do wrong, or from ourselves, they might also realize that they don’t need religion.

4 thoughts on “Don’t we need a god to save us?”

  1. Susan, I’ve only attended 6 or 7 church services in my life. But I have to tell you, the most uncomfortable, outrageous, and manipulative thing that I experienced in one of those services is the idea of being saved. Seeing the preacher speak about how we owe our lives to Jesus because he sacrificed himself for our “Sin” (which I didn’t commit, btw) had me baffled. I was honestly just sitting there thinking, “what the heck is this BS? Is this for real?” This idea that humanity is cursed, weak, helpless, children, and the only way that we could have significance, happiness, or meaning, is through being saved by (THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE) religion, is such blatant emotional blackmail and manipulation. I think it is horrible that people have that beaten into them their entire life so that they accept that as true.

    I suppose you probably see the world this way. Like there is something wrong with us humans. Something wrong with you. Without seeking god’s perfection, are you just a filthy insignificant human? Well you know what, there IS something wrong with us. That is that we are HUMAN, we are just ANIMALS. We are not enlightened beings. No matter what, humans will always be making mistakes. Because there is no such thing as perfection in humanity. We do the best we can, some of us make horrible decisions that impact the rest, but for the most part we work together to live, survive, and prosper as a species (even if only within our own social groups). The majority of the “bad things” going on in our world have to do with what? I’d say allocation and distribution of resources/wealth, and conflict over religion (and the rules, entitlements, and customs associated with religion). So how exactly is this imaginary concept of a god going to help with these issues?

    Well I won’t say much more, but really I think the root of our problems is our human instinct for self preservation and self prosperity combined with our human intelligence. Over the years (and maybe from the beginning) we humans have learned that we can exploit others to gain wealth and kill/invade other to gain resources. It’s a sad and tragic part of humanity that probably will take many more lifetimes to erode (if it ever does). But like Jake said, we are doing better now than ever in history. Hopefully we will continue to improve as a global society. The crutch that is the imaginary concept of a “god” watching over you, protecting you, and keeping you in check may help some people towards this goal. But it is definitely not necessary.

  2. This is sort of an argument from consequences fallacy. Even if the world is as bad as you seem to think it is, you’ve said nothing here that would lead me to believe that a God exists. And if a God doesn’t exist, then it’s incapable of saving us from anything, and praying to it accomplishes nothing. In other words, the question of whether or not God’s existence is desirable has no influence over the question of whether or not God’s existence is plausible. They’re two separate issues. You’re trying to combine them into one issue.

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