{"id":998,"date":"2012-03-18T17:07:34","date_gmt":"2012-03-18T07:07:34","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/asktheatheist.com\/?p=998"},"modified":"2012-03-18T17:07:34","modified_gmt":"2012-03-18T07:07:34","slug":"atheism-according-to-spong","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/asktheatheist.com\/?p=998","title":{"rendered":"Atheism According To Spong"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong>Question from Geoffrey:<\/strong><br \/>\nBishop John Shelby Spong defines an atheist as someone who disagrees with the theistic explanation of God. Do you agree? That seems to make all non-theists myself included an atheist.<br \/>\n<br \/>\n<strong>Answer by <a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/smartlx\">SmartLX<\/a>:<\/strong><br \/>\nBased on former Bishop Spong&#8217;s definition, that&#8217;s the implication.  Spong&#8217;s own position, however, is almost entirely unique and therefore not a very secure basis for generalisations.<br \/>\n<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/John_Shelby_Spong#Twelve_points\">Spong&#8217;s stated opinions<\/a> on Christian doctrine reject theism by name, and place him well outside most people&#8217;s definitions of a Christian.  It&#8217;s difficult to determine from his online writings what if anything he thinks God is, but it&#8217;s nothing like the supernatural being we all imagine in some form.<br \/>\n<br \/>\nI might agree that an atheist is simply someone who is not a theist from the words alone, if not for the existence of <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Deism\">deists<\/a>.  A deist believes in a god, but not the interventionist gods of theists.  The fact that &#8220;theist&#8221; and &#8220;deist&#8221; come from the Greek and Latin words for &#8220;god&#8221; (<em>theos<\/em> and <em>deus<\/em> respectively) makes the modern definitions somewhat confusing, but there you have it.<br \/>\n<br \/>\nI think everyone&#8217;s a theist, a deist or an atheist.  Some <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Agnosticism\">agnostics<\/a> may disagree with me there, or even be quite annoyed at this statement, but even an agnostic &#8211; who by definition does not know or even thinks it&#8217;s impossible to know whether there are gods &#8211; either believes in at least one god or does not believe in any (which is not the same as believing there are none).  I&#8217;m an agnostic atheist myself.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Question from Geoffrey: Bishop John Shelby Spong defines an atheist as someone who disagrees with the theistic explanation of God. Do you agree? That seems to make all non-theists myself included an atheist. Answer by SmartLX: Based on former Bishop Spong&#8217;s definition, that&#8217;s the implication. Spong&#8217;s own position, however, is almost entirely unique and therefore &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/asktheatheist.com\/?p=998\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Atheism According To Spong&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":4,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_feature_clip_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2},"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[6],"tags":[26,62,348,139],"class_list":["post-998","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-text","tag-atheism","tag-deism","tag-john-shelby-spong","tag-theism"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/pB6tr-g6","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/asktheatheist.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/998","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/asktheatheist.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/asktheatheist.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/asktheatheist.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/4"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/asktheatheist.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=998"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/asktheatheist.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/998\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1001,"href":"https:\/\/asktheatheist.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/998\/revisions\/1001"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/asktheatheist.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=998"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/asktheatheist.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=998"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/asktheatheist.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=998"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}