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Question from CLH:<\/strong>
\nAsking you a question about specifically about evolution might seem a bit off-topic in regard to atheism.
\nBut as you probably know the majority of the scientific community (the majority of which are atheists) regard evolution as scientific fact.
\nAnd we’re talking the entire theory, not some watered down “micro-evolution” version.
\n
\nI’ve recently read some books to increase my knowledge and understanding on the theory of evolution.
\nIt is now abundantly clear to me that all living things on this earth have evolved (as opposed to having been “designed” in their present form).
\n
\nUntil you understand that these changes have occurred slowly over billions of years it is kind of hard to grasp the concept of evolution. Even then it is mind-boggling to thing that we could get from a single-celled organism to where we are today.
\n
\nBut the facts are indisputable in that regard. But while evolution doesn’t fit well with the story of creation as told in the bible, it doesn’t
\ncompletely rule out intelligent or conscious design at point in the evolutionary process.
\n
\nIn my reading about evolution the authors do a great job of explaining how evolution consists of the natural selection of random mutations.
\nIt seems confusing to people at first (which is it…”random” or “selection”?), but I get now the basic concept. But the part that I don’t understand
\nis this. They make it clear that neither random mutations or natural selection is a “conscious” process.
\nThis suggests to me that there is no needs assessment or analysis taking place. But without such a needs assessment or analysis taking place, how
\nare we to believe that the natural selection process could have any direction or insight in determining which random mutations are actually beneficial and should therefore be selected?
\n
\nConsider the evolution case study “How Beach Life Favors Blond Mice”<\/a>
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\nThe basis of the study is that beach life survival favors mice with blonde as opposed to dark colored hair. The understanding is that flying predators
\ncan more easily see and located the contrast of dark colored mice against the white sand background as opposed to blond colored mice. Makes perfect sense
\nand I believe that has actually been proven in some scientific experiments. But here is what I don’t get. Without a conscious assessment of someone or something
\nto make the observation that being blonde is more beneficial how does the natural selection go about making the right selection that we’re giving it credit for?
\nIt would be one thing if you had a group of mice that were gathered behind a rock and saw a couple of their buddies (one blond and one dark) run
\nout onto the sandy beach and make the observation that time and time again the predator preys on the dark colored mouse. It that observation (conscious knowledge) were somehow
\ntransferred and converted to their DNA for future generations to make use of in the natural selection process then that might make sense.
\nBut once again we’re told that natural selection is in no way a conscious process. So that being the case, one has to wonder what basis natural selection
\nhas for doing the needs assessment and making the right selection? That seems to leave open the possibility that intelligent design might be interceding at some point. Not necessarily a theist “God” mind you, but some form of intelligent (conscious) design. Or perhaps the scientists are just wrong about natural selection not being a conscious process?
\n
\nOn a side note, I’m wondering if there is a more common sense explanation for the blond mice case study such as the following:
\nAs more dark mouse die off there are less and less of their dark mouse DNA to contribute to the future generation gene pool resulting in the future breading and reproduction cycle of more and more blond and less and less dark colored mice.
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\nAnswer by Andrea:<\/strong>
\nI see that your critical thinking skills are well-honed, since you basically came up with the answer as to why evolution is not a conscious process in your last paragraph.
\nMy religiously conservative dad once took a tour through Grand Canyon and when the guide told him that the squirrels had changed through natural selection my dad laughed, “Isn’t that silly, squirrels choosing each other?” I tried to stifle my own laugh while I explained they don’t consciously choose each other, it’s that the squirrels best adapted to their environment (in your example mice being blond and less visible to predators) live longer and therefore produce more offspring. Their offspring that carry those adaptive genes will also live longer, which allows them to also carry forth those genes to a greater extent than those not carrying the beneficial genes until they become commonplace in the population. The version of the gene with less adaptive properties then often becomes recessive or eventually it loses its function due to disuse.
\nWith respect to mutations, a lot of religionists will say that mutations are bad, and it’s ridiculous to think they could generate a whole new species. But what they don’t understand, or perhaps want to know, is that our genes mutate all the time throughout our lives for many different reasons, and most of those mutations are neither harmful nor beneficial. When harmful mutations arise, they are typically not spread widely since their carriers are not as fit for the environment and typically don’t live as long or as healthily.
\nDarwin termed this “natural” selection, which is selection guided nonconsciously by environmental cues. This is compared to the selection he saw by pigeon and dog owners, who guided the selection “unnaturally” by selectively breeding their animals to produce the desired genetic mix.
\nSo just because the religious don’t understand it, doesn’t mean evolution doesn’t exist. In fact, it takes a far greater “leap of faith” to believe that an intelligent designer zapped everything into existence — for example, who zapped the intelligent designer into existence? And if that creator has always been around, why not just believe the universe has always been around in different form, for which there is much more evidence? It’s much more logical to believe that since only four out of 118 or so elements needed to produce life — oxygen, hydrogen, nitrogen and carbon (albeit under the right conditions). There is fossil, genetic, chemical and empirical evidence for evolution, yet there is absolutely none for the intelligent design, also known as the creationist, point of view.
\nCreationists will admit there may be evidence for evolution but assert that this is only on the microevolutionary scale, such as with regard to bacteria and viruses. Although they deny that macroevolution occurs, we have already seen it with other quickly-producing organisms such as birds, fish and small rodents to the extent that they can no longer interbreed — one step at which they are considered a new species. There is also plenty of scientific evidence in the form of fossils, and there are transition species for almost all of the major transitions, including from water to land (see Tiktaalik, discovered in 2006).
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\nGood job analyzing.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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