{"id":3061,"date":"2016-10-07T06:35:05","date_gmt":"2016-10-07T13:35:05","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/asktheatheist.com\/?p=3061"},"modified":"2016-10-07T06:35:05","modified_gmt":"2016-10-07T13:35:05","slug":"a-relationship-with-the-divine","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/asktheatheist.com\/?p=3061","title":{"rendered":"A Relationship with the Divine"},"content":{"rendered":"

Question from Samson:<\/strong>
\nI am studying philosophy and worldview and I’m currently working on an assignment where we are meant to explore this question:
\n“What is the relationship between humanity and the Divine?”
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\nIf you aren’t sure how to answer the particular question outright, I think answering these questions might give me what I’m interested in knowing:
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\n1. Do atheists believe in any gods or supreme beings?
\n2. Do you believe in the supernatural or paranormal at all? Not just gods, but stuff like ESP, magic, mind reading, ghosts, etc.
\n3. Does life or humanity have intrinsic value?
\n3a. If not, is there any way for a human or their life to be “valuable” or have meaning?
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\nAnswer by SmartLX<\/a>:<\/strong>
\nThe main question is easily answered from an atheist perspective: “probably none”. There has to be<\/em> a Divine for humanity to have any real relationship with it; if there’s not then much of humanity is operating on false assumptions, and any perceived relationship is in their heads.
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\nAnd now for the rest of the questions, which I’ve numbered above for clarity.
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\n1. Atheists, by definition, do not believe in any gods, and most definitions of a “supreme being” are close enough to a god as makes no difference. For instance, there’s a similarly poor standard of available evidence and logical arguments for a non-divine supreme being, so it fares no better than gods in that respect.
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\n2. Lots of atheists believe in supernatural or paranormal phenomena. For instance I’ve discussed ghosts with many self-proclaimed atheists who believe in them for various reasons. It’s consistent (to some extent at least) for an atheist to believe in such things if they do not necessarily require a god to exist. I personally do not believe in any such things, as far as I’m aware.
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\n3. Look up definitions of value and you will find expressions like “the regard that something is held<\/em> to deserve” and “one’s judgement<\/em> of what is important in life” (emphasis mine). Value is subjective by its very nature, because it has to have value to someone<\/em>. Even its definition as a verb is phrased along the lines of “consider<\/em> (someone or something) to be important or beneficial”, which is again dependent on the one doing the considering. For something to have “intrinsic value” it would need to be of value to the universe as a whole, entirely independent of people. That either means the universe is conscious and values certain things, or it is controlled by an entity such as a god which has its own values. Atheists don’t think either is the case, so there’s no such thing as intrinsic value to us – unless you instead define value in terms of physical quantities. A pint of beer might cost $10 or it might come for free or it might save or end a life, but it will always measure one pint.
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\n3a. The above does not stop us from valuing things, because subjective judgments are still judgments. Life has value to the living, humanity has value to humans, and we’re all living humans so we can happily behave as if<\/em> they are intrinsically valuable. If there’s no god then you’re not looking for a stamp of approval for your values from the universe at large, only from the people your values may impact or impress.
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\nWith that covered, take a step back and consider the nature of question 3a. I don’t know whether you’re repeating it from somewhere, but it could be considered an attempt to have atheists admit a bleak, nihilistic outlook, as the existence of 3a makes it look likely that the answer to 3 is “no” and the answer to “3a” might just be “none”. If this is the author’s motivation, it is an appeal to consequences<\/a> as it does not say anything about whether atheism is right or justified. Apologies if this is clearly not the author’s intention, but it is exactly the intention of some advocates so I wanted to mention it regardless.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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