{"id":225,"date":"2009-11-20T20:00:48","date_gmt":"2009-11-21T03:00:48","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/asktheatheist.com\/?p=225"},"modified":"2009-11-20T20:07:59","modified_gmt":"2009-11-21T03:07:59","slug":"jesus-unscriptured-josephus","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/asktheatheist.com\/?p=225","title":{"rendered":"Jesus Unscriptured: Josephus"},"content":{"rendered":"

Question from C.L.H.:<\/strong>
\nChristians sometimes point to “independent sources” or historians of Greek or Roman history in validating the existence of Jesus and historical truth of the Bible.
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\nFor example: Flavius Josephus wherein he writes about Jesus the Christ.
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\n“Chapter 3 – Sedition Of The Jews Against Pontius Pilate. Concerning Christ, And What Befell Paulina And The Jews At Rome
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\n3. Now there was about this time Jesus , a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.”
\n(from Josephus: Antiquities of the Jews, PC Study Bible formatted electronic database Copyright \u00a9 2003 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)
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\nI know there are several other historian accounts that are often referenced, but I can’t recall them right at the moment.
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\nWhat are we to make of this “history”?
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\nAnswer:<\/strong>
\nThe other day<\/a> I covered independent references to Jesus, and the evidence for him in general. I’ll focus on Josephus’ Testimonium Flavianum<\/em> this time.
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\nIn my other piece I said that the document was a battlefield. It’s been disputed since the 17th century, because although it’s the most direct (and flattering) extra-Biblical mention of Jesus we have which was apparently written in the first century, there are many reasons why it might not be entirely genuine.
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\nIts positive affirmations are a major sticking point. It says, without qualification, “He was [the] Christ.” Elsewhere it says he rose from the dead after three days. Josephus isn’t obviously saying that this is what Christians think, he’s apparently flat out saying it happened.
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\nThis is a real Jew of the establishment we’re talking about. He stayed a Jew all his life which means it’s very doubtful he actually thought Jesus was the Messiah, which is what “Christ” meant in a Jewish context. He also did a lot of what amounted to PR work for the Romans who weren’t keen on prophesied kings. Had he actually written and released this passage at the time, as is, he’d have been thrown to the lions figuratively or literally.
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\nThe passage comes to us via a set of Greek manuscripts, the earliest of which dates back to the 11th century. That means about a thousand years went by in which changes might have been made. In the third century, after reading the Testimonium<\/em>, the Christian historian Origen wrote that Josephus “did not accept Jesus as Christ”. The version he read at the time, therefore, was likely to have given a different impression than the one we have.
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\nFrom this fact alone, apart from the likelihood that the Testimonium<\/em> was changed at some point to be more Christian-friendly, we can deduce one more thing: that Josephus probably did<\/em> write something or other about Jesus. That isn’t saying much, because in his original piece he might simply have recounted the story preached by Christians without saying that any of it was fact.
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\nI won’t go through the other arguments against it, but suffice it to say that there’s plenty to argue about.
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\nIn general, documents such as the Testimonium Flavianum<\/em> reveal credibility issues as soon as you scratch the surface. That doesn’t mean they’re all false, it just means that the standard of evidence they provide isn’t earthshaking right now.
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\n– SmartLX<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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