We Finally Tackle The Sunrise/Sunset Question You’ve Seen on Posters

Question from Brianna:
How do you look at a sunset and not believe that there is something out there greater than you?

Answer by SmartLX:
There’s plenty out there which is greater than me on many levels, and a lot of it comes to the fore in a sunset. The wealth of physics at work in the spectacle of a sunset does not diminish its beauty, nor obviously fail to account for it.

– The Sun itself is bigger than we can fathom even if we know the numbers, and provides nearly all the energy we’ve ever seen used.
– The atmosphere between us and the Sun is comprised of a huge amount of different chemicals (some more than others) each of which has an effect on the colours we perceive in the sky. Even scientists in the relevant field have a hell of a time explaining all the different factors, as Cliff Stoll once wrote.
– A decent-sized cloud in the sky has millions of gallons of water in it, again calculable but more than is comprehensible. Its precise effects on the sunbeams that pass through it could fill a book if you went into detail.
– Our eyes and brains not only register all this, but find subjective beauty in it. The processes that led to this being possible, not least evolution, have toiled for billions of years to get us to this level.

A good word to sum up all of this is sublime. This literally means a sense of something larger or greater than oneself, and atheists have plenty of opportunities to feel this living in the world we share with believers. The big difference is the absence of the assumption, even unconscious, that something greater than humans in any sense must have been designed or otherwise deliberately brought about by an intelligent entity, and this indeed makes all the difference.

When you believe in a god, you see amazing things and automatically connect them to the god; when you don’t, that doesn’t really happen and everything does not look like a self-evident monument to any god. It’s largely a difference in perception based on preconceptions; in short, non-believers don’t see the world the way believers do precisely because of their lack of belief. So (and here’s your takeaway, Brianna) to convert someone you need to instill some belief before pointing out the sunset.

16 thoughts on “We Finally Tackle The Sunrise/Sunset Question You’ve Seen on Posters”

  1. I, I will tell you HOW !

    Instead of thinking about it yourself, with your obviously low IQ and even lower scientific knowledge , otherwise you would have thought of asking someone competent and not a atheists, a scientist in the field, about the ORIGIN of energy and matter, i.e. of the UNIVERSE, well, instead of all this that you have (not) done, i.e. nothing, GOOGLE this question and look for the answer that THEORETIC PHYSICISTS, of the UNIVERSE, will give you, not an atheist without any special knowledge on the issue in question, nor me, either, but SPECIALISTS.

    One more thing you can do, ask QUORA, because scientists read and give answers there, too, among other people.

    But, I can give you an answer right away, thou I am not a specialist, but I have read a lot about it. QUITE A LOT.

    So, nobody knows the origin of the energy, from which matter become, read some EINSTEIN, too, but there are several theories, on of them having been, but not any more, that the Universe is there forever before, now and in the future, that energy has been there forever in the past and cannot be destroyed. Something like this.

    I know this is unfathomable for an Aristotelian brain that we, at least the intelligent and educated in science of the matter at least a bit, but who says our brain is competent. No one ever said it, except the vain, lacking knowledge and intelligence ones.

    So, I take it as something I cannot understand because my brain is a little organ that has evolved on a little planet, Earth, to serve the body. It is incompetent to solve the problem of forever before and after of energy and matter, and if this is not the case, then any other answer science proposes.

    LIKE, WHO ARE WE TO KNOW HOW IT IS POSSIBLE WITHOUT GOD.

    BUT, WE ARE COMPETENT ENOUGH, THE INTELLIGENT AND EDUCATION IN THE FIELD ONES, TO KNOW THAT IT I S !!!

    1. A note.

      Firstly, I willingly answered this question without previously having read the one SmartXL gave, because I wanted to be free of his influence, which would make me be kinda nicer to the one asking the question. I am not here to be nice and soothing, but to spread the truth, no matter what.

      Secondly, now that I HAVE read SmartXL’s reply, I want to comment on his word SUBLIME, so nicely used in this context.

      But, I have ANOTHER EQUALLY SUBLIME issue.

      And, that one is of THE HUMAN BEING I have for my god.

      That one of WOLFGANG AMADEUS MOZART’S MUSIC.

      But, I must admit that what he was and did was equally of the Universe’s nature as is your SUNSET.

      For me, it is MORE THAN PHYSICAL PHENOMENON OF ANYTHING NATURE HAS DONE AND GIVEN.

      BECAUSE, I DON’T THINK ANYONE CRIED LOOKING AT THE SUNSET.

      BUT MANY HAVE AND WILL CRY LISTENING TO MOZART…

      I AM ONE OF THE LUCKY HUMANS THAT IS MOVED BY MOZART’S MUSIC MORE THAN BY ANYTHING ELSE, EXCEPT FOR MY MATERNITY, MY LOVE FOR MY SON…

      1. Your god actually believed in the true God. His music was founded upon the inspiration he found in God. It is a shame that you worship the creation and not the Creator. If you did, you would be able to appreciate life more than you can possibly understand.

        1. Gerald, of course I know MY GOD, WOLFGANG AMADEUS MOZART was deeply religious, but I understand HIM, because, think of it, HIS era was full of scientific ignorance.

          I excuse HIM, but, not you and your likes.

          SPINOZA WAS AN ATHEIST, AND SO WAS SHELLY. Google him.

        2. WOLFGANG AMADEUS MOZART was not, nor ANY of us was, created by ‘god’, but ALL LIVING ORGANISMS living came into EXISTENCE by the action of EVOLUTION of single-cell organisms that, lived millions or even billions of years ago.
          Google abiogenesis.

          I DON’T WORSHIP these one-cell organisms, nor EVOLUTION, that led to my MOZART and ME, and, by the way, unfortunately for the rest of us, to YOU, too!

          Because only a COMPLETE IDIOT, IGNORAMUS and SIMPLETON can believe in such CRAP, as is reincarnation, rising from the dead and everlasting, eternal, forever life without body, as SOULS out of body, or even worse, with new bodies, STANDING somewhere there ABOVE US, SPITING GRAVITY AND…THE GREAT NEWTON!!!

          I WORSHIP MOZART AND SCIENCE.

  2. Atheists obviously find such things awe-inspiring too.
    We just won’t ascribe a hidden meaning/ hidden god driven by the inspired awe 🙂
    Why should we?
    This awe is one of the things that drives a people to try to understand and explain such phenomena … which leads to rational/ scientific progress.
    How very backward/ strange it would be to feel the awe and then ascribe a god to everything, instead of trying to understand the natural processes that drive such awe-inspiring phenomena.

    1. This ‘MORE’ of yours has NOT BEEN R E A L I Z E D !!!

      These are delusions, not realizations.

      SCIENCE does the realization, NOT RELIGION.

      Religion leads to delusion, and it is dangerous. The least bad effect of religion is NOT TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR ONE’S OWN LIFE.

  3. The era of Mozart was full of scientific ignorance, eh. And you suggest that because of their not having electron microscopes, and all the cool tools that scientists have to play with today, that they were religious only because they were ignorant. And that those scientists if they were looking through the lenses of today, would also come to realize that God is a myth. Is that what you think?
    But you think this even though there are thousands of God believing scientists today who all say that all of creation says to them that God is. You say this even though there are thousands of scientists who behind closed doors, say that what the small percentage of atheists who are scientists are trying to say about how life came to be, makes no sense.
    And I pointed out Niki, that being a Christian means that you ultimately take responsibility for your actions. Your thoughts. What you do and what you don’t do. Being a Christian means that your goal is to be perfect as God expects us to be. Christian women don’t plead “their time of the month” made them un Christ like. They know that they must be Christlike at all times of the month. Christian men don’t think it ok to come home and slap the wife, kick the dog, and ignore the kids, just because they had a “bad day at the office”. No they know that this is not what God wants them to do, so they come home and love instead. Christians don’t think it ok to “drink” to “fool around”. Christians hold themselves to a higher form of living, because our God, tells us to. And we know that this is possible because Jesus came and lived among us. Rubbing shoulders with the best and the worst of us and still lived an exemplary life. A life that was pleasing to God His Father. And that life when we come to realize that we have messed up, that life we accept as our own, finding that through Christ we find acceptance and adoption into the family of God.
    That doesn’t mean that Christians are all good. That we do everything perfectly. We do. But we get up and try all over again. And we have the confidence that as we grow closer to Christ we will become more like Him. That is why you see so many Christians who have given up their ways of life and walk and act differently. That is why the thief stops stealing except to rob satan of souls that he had fooled into following Him. That is why the man that slept around cheating on his wife changes his ways and becomes a loyal loving husband. That is why the homosexual, stops lusting after the same sex and becomes straight. Why the alcoholic stops drinking, why all who accept the mantel of Christ and lifts up the banner of Christ, become new creatures in Christ. And their are hundreds of thousands, indeed there have been millions of changed men and women who down through the ages who have become testimonies to the power that God provides to change the human nature. And all have said that it was because they met the man Christ Jesus.

    I know. I know. It’s all allusion you say. But let me ask you. Is it an illusion when a cure is provided to heal cancer? To heal diabetes? To heal infections? How do we know that the cure works? Is it not through the numbers of those who were healed?
    Well as I said. There have been millions of sin sick souls who had written themselves off. Who had been deemed unfit for society by society itself. Who had been called the worst of the worse, and locked up for life, but when they opened “the Love letter” of God to mankind, they became the most sought after and most accepted. They have been the ones who went out and testified” I was was lost, but now I’m found. I was blind but now I see”. One after another Atheist has become a God fearing Christian.
    NIki. I’m telling you that there is Power in the blood, of Jesus. There is healing in the touch of His hand. There is warmth in His welcoming embraces, and there is hope in the great “I Am”.

    Come to Him Niki. I know you have to feel His calling. You can’t help but here the strings of your heart being drawn to Him. You can resist. He won’t stop you from doing so. But I know that you feel it if not way down deep. Because He will not give up on you without a fight. It may be a fight even worse then when He went to the Cross, but He will fight for you. Please come to Him.
    I am praying for you.

    1. Gerald writes: [I know. I know. It’s all allusion you say. But let me ask you. Is it an illusion when a cure is provided to heal cancer? To heal diabetes? To heal infections? How do we know that the cure works? Is it not through the numbers of those who were healed?
      Well as I said. There have been millions of sin sick souls who had written themselves off. Who had been deemed unfit for society by society itself. Who had been called the worst of the worse, and locked up for life, but when they opened “the Love letter” of God to mankind, they became the most sought after and most accepted. They have been the ones who went out and testified” I was was lost, but now I’m found. I was blind but now I see”. One after another Atheist has become a God fearing Christian.]

      Right. Like every kid that has died of cancer or some other disease? How about millions of Jews during the Holocaust, praying to a nonexistent god that they wouldn’t be gassed or showed into ovens to be burned alive? Still waiting for all those amputees to grow a new limb….

      Gods are prayed to all the time Gerald. Studies have shown that prayer offers no increased statistical chance to survive cancer, or win the lottery, or any other thing that people pray for. And in cases where people KNOW they are being prayed for, their survival rate is actually WORSE than the average.

      But you want people to believe your all powerful, slavery loving god, cares for everyone and has nothing but love for humans. Your god is all good, yet helps person A find their car keys while person B dies from the flu.

      That’s pretty sick logic Gerald…

  4. oh what an idiot are you to call scientific work play. they save lives and you a little shit dare say things like that. i vomited and could not read any more

    1. It is a shame that you insist in utilizing your God given intelligence to insult and denigrate others, instead of allowing yourself to learn and grow. You fail to realize that those who were first called scientists were Christians. And they put God first in their lives and they led the way to helping us to know what we have learned. But we regress to the dark ages by not accepting that God is and that He is the true source of all wisdom. As long as science ignores the possibility of God, then they will not learn what really is for us to learn.

      1. Gerald writes: [ You fail to realize that those who were first called scientists were Christians.]

        I don’t think Plato or Aristotle were Christians. Neither were the Egyptians, or the Chinese, or any of the other peoples that made all kinds of discoveries well before Christ was even born.

        As is typical for you, once again you’ve spoken out of your rear end without a clue, this time as to the actual truth of the history of discovery by humans.

        I couldn’t help but think of something else you wrote earlier in this thread: [It is a shame that you worship the creation and not the Creator. If you did, you would be able to appreciate life more than you can possibly understand.]

        Imagine it Gerald. Imagine if you spent more time learning about science and reality instead of trying to defend your slavery god, you would be able to understand life more than you could possibly appreciate….

  5. Brianna – A sunset is nothing more than Rayleigh scattering of the light. The reason why we see blue at midday and red at dawn and dusk is completely understood and explained by simple physics. Why you would think that a sunset is an indication of something more than the reality of the universe makes no sense to me.

    It’s too bad we aren’t snakes. They can see infrared light, and the sunsets must look even more amazing to them…

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